tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69622267299614961482024-03-13T14:51:10.646-07:00Roman TimesAn online magazine about current archaeology and classical research into the lives of inhabitants of the Roman Empire and Byzantium and the civilizations around them.Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.comBlogger704125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-70305681524745034502024-03-03T11:48:00.000-08:002024-03-13T09:52:38.896-07:00 Was sibling marriage really a royal tradition in ancient Egypt?<div style="background-color: #f0f2f5; color: #1c1e21; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><div class="x1yztbdb x1n2onr6 xh8yej3 x1ja2u2z" style="font-family: inherit; margin-bottom: 16px; position: relative; width: 680px; z-index: 0;"><div class="x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z" style="font-family: inherit; position: relative; z-index: 0;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div aria-describedby=":Rahtaql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH1: :Rahtaql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH2: :Rahtaql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH3: :Rahtaql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH5: :Rahtaql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH4:" aria-labelledby=":Rlataql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aq:" aria-posinset="1" class="x1a2a7pz" role="article" style="font-family: inherit; outline: none;"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf" style="display: flex; flex-direction: column; font-family: inherit;"><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; position: relative; z-index: 0;"><div class="x78zum5 x1n2onr6 xh8yej3" style="display: flex; font-family: inherit; position: relative; width: 680px;"><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x2bj2ny x1qpq9i9 xdney7k xu5ydu1 xt3gfkd xh8yej3 x6ikm8r x10wlt62 xquyuld" style="background-color: var(--surface-background); border-radius: max(0px, min(8px, (-100% - 4px + 100vw) * 9999)) / 8px; box-shadow: 0 1px 2px var(--shadow-2); box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; overflow: hidden; position: relative; width: 680px; z-index: 0;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-family: inherit;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1l90r2v x1swvt13" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":Rlataql9l9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH2:" style="font-family: inherit; padding: 4px 16px 16px;"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u" style="display: flex; flex-direction: column; font-family: inherit; margin-bottom: -5px; margin-top: -5px;"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b" style="font-family: inherit; margin-bottom: 5px; margin-top: 5px;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" color="var(--primary-text)" dir="auto" style="display: block; font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.9375rem; line-height: 1.3333; max-width: 100%; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The article entitled Last Stone Age hunter-gatherers avoided inbreeding:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">(<span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://cosmosmagazine.com/history/archaeology/stone-age-genetic-inbreeding/?fbclid=IwAR3YAWfsYd_zkaK50SOIwrHpS-7F9Xa929BTDdqvcuofJ2qlte9m682SkWs" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-style: none; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://cosmosmagazine.com/.../stone-age-genetic-inbreeding/</a></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">made me curious about the development of sibling marriage within the royal families of Egypt if strategies to avoid inbreeding appears to have developed as far back as the Stone Age. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg193hVOA_9F4RKvVDBjrkFWyluhsxpPSmCqT9qTk76IjPOA49pPjOOL6Eje4x8eKkCx-G-rritwq_oYlBWSpsL5zSQTYUzeQDHgOLInJ3lvdwE0_D_828N9lW4dQHRxw9a4AWxypDrD7Z9j7RfRFMDhA2lS6irsKR652K2q28dy6pVJS2hlbX_qjVC8aQ/s1067/Bust%20of%20a%20Lagid%20queen%20as%20Isis%20either%20Cleopatra%20II%20or%20III%20with%20the%20braids%20characteristic%20of%20Isis%20and%20the%20headband%20of%20royal%20status%20now%20in%20the%20collection%20of%20The%20Louvre%20courtesy%20of%20Marie-Lan%20Nguyen.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="800" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg193hVOA_9F4RKvVDBjrkFWyluhsxpPSmCqT9qTk76IjPOA49pPjOOL6Eje4x8eKkCx-G-rritwq_oYlBWSpsL5zSQTYUzeQDHgOLInJ3lvdwE0_D_828N9lW4dQHRxw9a4AWxypDrD7Z9j7RfRFMDhA2lS6irsKR652K2q28dy6pVJS2hlbX_qjVC8aQ/w300-h400/Bust%20of%20a%20Lagid%20queen%20as%20Isis%20either%20Cleopatra%20II%20or%20III%20with%20the%20braids%20characteristic%20of%20Isis%20and%20the%20headband%20of%20royal%20status%20now%20in%20the%20collection%20of%20The%20Louvre%20courtesy%20of%20Marie-Lan%20Nguyen.jpg" width="300" /></a></div><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.9375rem;">Image: Beautiful bust of a Lagid queen, either Cleopatra II or Cleopatra III, with the braids characteristic of Isis and the headband of royal status now in the collection of The Louvre courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Marie-Lan Nguyen.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.9375rem;"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So I asked Gemini about this phenomena.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: "When did sibling marriages begin between members of Egypt's royal families?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini: "While there's documented evidence of sibling marriage among Egyptian royalty, pinpointing an exact date for its beginning is challenging. Here's a breakdown of what we know:</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.9375rem;"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Evidence exists: We have historical records and depictions suggesting instances of sibling marriage among pharaohs and their kin.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Not consistent: This practice wasn't consistent throughout Egyptian history. It occurred more frequently during specific periods like the 18th and 19th dynasties (roughly 1570-1070 BC).</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uncertainties: Determining the exact nature of some relationships is difficult due to changes in language usage over time. For example, the term "sister" could sometimes refer to a wife or lover during the New Kingdom."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I'm always a stickler for details so I began to ask Gemini about the practice of sibling marriage within specific historical periods and learned it is thought sibling marriage may have been practiced in a limited way during the Old Kingdom period but more frequently during the New Kingdom period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini:"There is some evidence of sibling marriage among Egyptian royalty during the Old Kingdom (2686 - 2181 BC):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Pharaoh Khufu: The builder of the Great Pyramid of Giza, Khufu, is believed to have married his half-sister, Meritites. This belief is based on interpretations of inscriptions and titles used for Meritites, though some debate exists around the exact nature of their relationship.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Pharaoh Khafre: Khufu's son, Khafre, who built the second-largest pyramid at Giza, also has some evidence suggesting marriage to his sister, Khamerernebty I. However, similar to Khufu and Meritites, the specific details of their relationship remain debated by scholars.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Compared to later periods like the New Kingdom, sibling marriage seems to be less frequent during the Old Kingdom.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the existing evidence points towards the possibility of sibling marriages, conclusive proof for all cases is often lacking. Additionally, due to the complexities of ancient Egyptian language and interpretations, debates and uncertainties still surround specific relationships.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The evidence for sibling marriage within the Egyptian royal family during the Middle Kingdom (2055 - 1650 BC) is scarcer and less conclusive compared to other periods like the New Kingdom.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited evidence: Unlike the Old and New Kingdoms, where documented instances of sibling marriage exist among pharaohs, no clear-cut proof of such marriages has been found for the Middle Kingdom.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Debated interpretations: Some scholars, based on specific genealogies and interpretations of titles, suggest the possibility of marriages between siblings or half-siblings during this period. However, these interpretations face significant challenges and are not widely accepted by the Egyptological community.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative explanations: The use of terms like "sister" in ancient Egyptian texts could sometimes have broader meanings beyond the specific biological relationship. This adds to the difficulty of confirming the exact nature of relationships based solely on titles.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while the possibility of isolated cases of sibling marriage during the Middle Kingdom cannot be entirely ruled out, the current evidence doesn't provide convincing or widely accepted proof of such practices within the royal family during that specific period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Due to ambiguities in interpreting historical records and titles used in ancient Egypt, determining definitively which pharaohs of the New Kingdom (1570-1070 BC) engaged in sibling marriage remains a complex and debated topic among scholars.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited evidence: We rely on interpretation of ancient texts and artifacts, which can be incomplete or ambiguous. Terms like "sister" could have broader meanings beyond strict biological relationships.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Differentiation challenges: Distinguishing between biological siblings and individuals considered close relatives or even adopted children based solely on historical titles is challenging.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, some pharaohs of the New Kingdom are often cited as potentially having married individuals closely related to them:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Thutmose III: Some evidence suggests he might have married his half-sister Hatshepsut, based on titles used and their close working relationship. However, this interpretation is not universally accepted by scholars.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">[My clarification: Hatshepsut only served as regent for Thutmose III because she was the queen and half-sister of his father, Thutmose II]</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Amenhotep III: He is believed to have married his half-sisters Sitamun and Gilukhepa. [My clarification: But Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten) was not an offspring of either of these relationships]</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Akhenaten: He is believed to have married his half-sister Kiya. While not definitive, some scholars theorize the surviving daughter from this union, Ankhesenamun, later married Akhenaten's successor, Tutankhamun, who was also likely her half-brother.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's crucial to remember:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">These are not definitive conclusions and remain subjects of ongoing scholarly debates.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Even if these pharaohs married individuals referred to as "sisters," it doesn't guarantee they were biological siblings.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Other pharaohs of the New Kingdom did not engage in sibling marriage.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Late Period of Egypt (664 - 332 BC) saw a significant increase in the practice of sibling marriage among the royal family compared to earlier periods.** This practice became more frequent and documented compared to the Old and Middle Kingdoms. However, it's crucial to remember several key points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Not widespread: While more common than in previous periods, sibling marriage was still not the norm within the Late Kingdom royal family. Many pharaohs and members of the royal family married individuals who were not their siblings.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shifting context: The Late Period also saw the influence and rule of foreign powers like the Persians after 525 BC. This changed the political and cultural landscape of Egypt, potentially influencing the practice of sibling marriage.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increased documentation: The Late Period has left behind more extensive archives and documents compared to earlier periods. This allows for a better understanding of the practice of sibling marriage during this time.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some examples of documented instances of sibling marriage in the Late Period:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Nectanebo I (380-362 BC): Married his sister or half-sister.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Nectanebo II (360-343 BC): Married his niece.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that this is not an exhaustive list and there are other examples. However, it highlights the increased frequency of sibling marriages compared to earlier periods.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Thinking of the periods when Egypt was ruled by the "Sea Peoples" and the Persians, I asked "Did any civilizations of the ancient Levant engage in sibling marriage?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini: "While there's limited and inconclusive evidence for widespread sibling marriage among major civilizations of the ancient Levant, some information exists regarding specific instances and cultural practices. Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Major Civilizations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mesopotamia: Evidence for consistent sibling marriage within Mesopotamian royal families, like the Babylonians and Assyrians, is currently lacking. However, there are isolated instances mentioned in some texts, though the exact nature of the relationships and the prevalence of the practice remain unclear.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Canaan: Similar to Mesopotamia, the picture for Canaan is uncertain. Some scholars suggest the possibility of occasional sibling marriage based on interpretations of specific texts and cultural practices, but conclusive proof is absent."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I had also read an article suggesting the ancient Nuragic civilization of Sardinia may have sent raiding parties out that may have been attributed to the Sea Peoples, so I asked about sibling marriage in that culture.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini replied: "Due to the limited and fragmentary nature of the available evidence, conclusive proof of sibling marriage within the Nuragic culture (1800 – 238 BC, Sardinia, Italy) is currently unavailable. Here's a breakdown of the challenges and what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Challenges:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited written records: The Nuragic people lacked a writing system, making it difficult to directly document their social customs and marriage practices. This leaves us relying on indirect evidence, like archaeological findings and comparisons with other cultures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Interpretation difficulties: Even with archaeological findings like burial sites, interpreting familial relationships with certainty is challenging. DNA analysis, which could potentially provide definitive answers, is often not possible due to the degradation of organic materials over time.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Available information:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Indirect evidence: Some scholars have drawn comparisons between the Nuragic culture and other ancient Mediterranean societies, where sibling marriage was practiced in some cases. However, these comparisons are not conclusive and cannot be directly applied to the Nuragic context without further evidence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Absence of counter-evidence: While there's no concrete proof of sibling marriage, there's also no evidence explicitly prohibiting it. However, this absence of explicit prohibition doesn't necessarily mean it was practiced.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The possibility of sibling marriage within the Nuragic culture cannot be entirely ruled out, but there's currently no definitive evidence to confirm it.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further research and discoveries are needed to gain a clearer understanding of Nuragic social customs and marriage practices."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, what about the Persians?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini: "The practice of sibling marriage within the Persian royal line is a complex and debated topic due to various factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evidence suggests:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Existence of the practice: There are documented instances of sibling marriage among members of the Achaemenid dynasty (550-330 BC), which ruled the Persian Empire during its peak.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Zoroastrian context: The religion of Zoroastrianism, which was prominent in ancient Persia, had a concept called xwedodah. This term has been interpreted by some scholars as referring to marriage between close relatives, including siblings, though the precise meaning and historical practice remain controversial.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Challenges in interpretation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uncertainties: Determining the exact nature of some relationships based on ancient texts and titles is difficult. For example, the term "sister" could sometimes refer to a wife or lover.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited evidence: While some possible instances exist, conclusive proof for all cases is often lacking.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Debates among scholars: The interpretation of xwedodah and its historical practice is heavily debated among scholars, with some arguing it did not necessarily involve sibling marriage.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While there is evidence suggesting the possibility of sibling marriage within the Achaemenid dynasty, the evidence is not definitive and the specific details remain open to interpretation and scholarly debate.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's crucial to avoid making generalizations and remember that the practice wasn't consistent throughout the history of the Persian Empire.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Additionally:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The practice of sibling marriage was not as widespread in the Persian Empire compared to some other ancient cultures like the Ptolemies in Egypt.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Political considerations also played a role. While some rulers married siblings, others married outside the family for political alliances or other reasons."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, that brings us to the Ptolemies. First, I asked if the Macedonians of the 4th century BCE practiced sibling marriage?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini: "No, there is no evidence that the Macedonians of the 4th century BCE practiced sibling marriage. This custom was not part of their cultural norms and was actually considered taboo.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical accounts: Writings from prominent historians like Plutarch and Arrian, who documented the lives and deeds of figures like Alexander the Great, make no mention of sibling marriage being practiced within the Macedonian royal family or society at large.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cultural context: The ancient Greeks, of which the Macedonians were a sub-group, generally frowned upon sibling marriage. It was seen as an unnatural and morally reprehensible act.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Macedonian customs: While some practices differed between various Greek city-states, the available evidence suggests that the Macedonians followed the wider Greek cultural norms regarding marriage, which excluded siblings."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, then I asked, "Did Ptolemy I Soter marry a sibling after becoming the first Ptolemaic pharaoh?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemini responded with: "No, Ptolemy I Soter did not marry a sibling after becoming the first Ptolemaic pharaoh. He had several wives throughout his life, but none of them were his sisters:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Eurydice: His first wife, daughter of the Macedonian regent Antipater.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artakama: A Persian noblewoman, married on Alexander's orders.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Thaïs: (possibly) His mistress during the life of Alexander.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Berenice I: His final wife, who became his queen and had several children, including Ptolemy II, his successor.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that while Ptolemy did not personally engage in sibling marriage, the practice became established later in the Ptolemaic dynasty. Some of his successors, like Ptolemy II and Arsinoe II, did marry siblings, which became a characteristic of the dynasty, though not consistently practiced by all rulers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, the practice of sibling marriage within the Ptolemaic dynasty began with Ptolemy II. I then asked, "If sibling marriage was not a common feature of Late Period Egyptian royalty and Ptolemy I Soter did not practice sibling marriage, what could have influenced Ptolemy II to resurrect the practice from the New Kingdom period?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gamini: "While it's true that sibling marriage wasn't a major feature of Late Period Egyptian royalty and Ptolemy I Soter didn't participate in it, his son Ptolemy II did marry his sister Arsinoe II. There are several possible influences that might have contributed to this decision:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Political Consolidation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Securing power: By marrying Arsinoe II, Ptolemy II could have aimed to consolidate his power by keeping the royal bloodline and wealth within the immediate family. This could have been particularly relevant if his claim to the throne was contested or if he faced internal opposition.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">[Mary's note: Ptolemy II's reign was both contested and fraught with both internal and external opposition. At Ptolemy II's birth, his older half-brother Ptolemy Keraunos, his father's son by a previous marriage to Eurydice, Anitpater's daughter, was the heir presumptive. As Ptolemy II grew older a struggle for the succession developed between them, which culminated in Ptolemy Keraunos' departure from Egypt around 287 BCE. On 28 March 284 BCE, Ptolemy I had Ptolemy II declared king, formally elevating him to the status of co-regent. However, the fall-out from the succession conflict between Ptolemy II and Ptolemy Keraunos continued even after Ptolemy II's accession resulting in Ptolemy II"s execution of two of Ptolemy Keraunos' brothers. Keraunos himself fled to the court of Lysimachus, king of Thrace and western Asia Minor, and husband to Ptolemy II's sister, Arsinoe II. Lysimachus' court was divided on the question of supporting Keraunos. Lysimachus' heir, Agathocles, was married to Keraunos' full sister Lysandra. But, Lysimachus chose to support Ptolemy II and sealed that decision at some point between 284 and 281 BCE by marrying his daughter Arsinoe I to Ptolemy II. Continued conflict over the issue eventually led to the execution of Agathocles and the collapse of Lysimachus' kingdom in 281 BCE. Around 279 BCE, Arsinoe II returned to Egypt, where she clashed with her sister-in-law Arsinoe I. Sometime after 275 BCE, Arsinoe I was charged with conspiracy and exiled to Coptos. Probably in 273/2 BCE, Ptolemy then married his older sister, Arsinoe II."]</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limiting external influence: Marrying outside the family could have introduced new external influences and potential alliances that might have threatened Ptolemy II's control. By marrying his sister, he potentially maintained complete control within the royal family.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Continuity with the New Kingdom:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic gesture: The revival of sibling marriage could have been a deliberate attempt to connect with the legacy of the earlier New Kingdom (1570-1070 BC), a period of significant power and cultural prominence for Egypt. This connection could have served to legitimize Ptolemy II's rule and enhance his prestige.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Religious justification: Some speculate that Ptolemy II and Arsinoe II might have used religious justifications, possibly drawing parallels with myths or deities associated with sibling marriages in the New Kingdom. However, concrete evidence for this is lacking.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Personal motivations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Genuine affection: While less likely considering the political nature of the time, it's possible that Ptolemy II and Arsinoe II genuinely desired to marry each other, regardless of their familial connection. However, due to the paucity of personal records, it's impossible to confirm this definitively.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that determining the exact reasons behind Ptolemy II's decision is difficult due to the limited historical records and the complexities of interpreting past motivations. The factors mentioned above are possible explanations, but they should not be considered definitive or exhaustive."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">But sibling marriage was not practiced by all pharaohs after Ptolemy II. Ptolemy III was married to Berenice, the sole child of Ptolemy II's half-brother King Magas of Cyrene. Their son, Ptolemy IV, after a brutal purge of the royal family, ended up marrying his older sister, Arsinoe III, </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ptolemy V broke with tradition and married the daughter of Seleucid king Antiochus III, Ptolemy VI, however, did marry his sister-wife Cleopatra II. Ptolemy VI died on campaign in Syria in 145 BCE. Cleopatra II then agreed to marry her younger brother, Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Physcon, who ascended the throne at that time. According to Justin, Ptolemy VIII murdered Ptolemy, the surviving son of Ptolemy VI and Cleopatra II, but new evidence shows he survived as a potential heir and served as eponymous priest of Alexander the Great in c. 143 BCE; However, he was eliminated by his uncle sometime later Cleopatra II then bore Ptolemy VIII a new heir, Ptolemy Memphites, in c. 143 BCE. When Ptolemy VIII fled Alexandria in 132 BCE, he took Ptolemy Memphites with him to Cyprus. According to Diodorus and Justin, here Ptolemy Memphites was murdered and dismembered on the orders of his father, who sent the remains of the boy to his mother Cleopatra II as a gruesome birthday gift.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Between 142 BCE and 139 BCE Ptolemy VIII married Cleopatra II's younger daughter, his niece Cleopatra III. She quickly produced two sons, the future kings Ptolemy IX Soter and Ptolemy XI Alexander, and three daughters. These developments are assumed to have increased the pre-existing rivalry between Cleopatra II and Ptolemy VIII. Cleopatra II ruled during two different periods alternating with Ptolemy VIII until her ultimate death in 116 BCE. Ptolemy IX, son of Ptolemy VIII and Cleopatra III, became the heir apparent after the murder of his half-brother Ptolemy Memphites in 130 BCE, during a civil war between Ptolemy VIII and Cleopatra II. On his father's death in 116 BC, he became co-regent with Cleopatra II (until 115 BC) and with his mother, Cleopatra III. He eventually quarreled with his mother and she deposed him and replaced him with his younger brother, Ptolemy X. However, Ptolemy IX succeeded in seizing control of Cyprus. From there he invaded Judaea, but was prevented by Ptolemy X from invading Egypt (103–102 BCE). In 88 BC, the Alexandrians expelled Ptolemy X and restored Ptolemy IX to the throne. Ptolemy IX was briefly married to his sister, Cleopatra IV then another sister, Cleopatra V Selene. Both women survived to marry other Middle Eastern monarchs. Ptolemy XI was ordered by Rome to marry Berenice III, who was his stepmother, cousin, and possible half-sister. Nineteen days after the marriage, Ptolemy murdered his bride for unknown reasons, an unwise move since Berenice was very popular. Ptolemy was soon lynched by the citizens of Alexandria. Cicero and other ancient sources refer to Ptolemy XII as an illegitimate son of Ptolemy IX; Pompeius Trogus called him a "nothos" (bastard), while Pausanias wrote that Ptolemy IX had no legitimate sons at all. Ptolemy XII Auletes married one of his relatives, Cleopatra V, which modern scholarship often interprets as a sister, but Christopher Bennett argues was a daughter of Ptolemy X. These rather hazy incestuous relationships ended of course when both Ptolemy XIII and Ptolemy XIV were killed during Cleopatra VII's rise to the throne.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="font-family: inherit; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It appears to me that most of what would now be considered incestuous marriages of the Ptolemies were the by-product of political aspirations and power struggles internally within the royal family and externally due to the conflicts of the Diadochi and had little to do with sibling marriages established by any royal ritual in preceding Egyptian dynasties. </div></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-55341165283406672252024-03-01T12:32:00.000-08:002024-03-01T12:32:05.021-08:00Were Thracian tholos tombs distant inheritors of Mycenaean funerary traditions?<div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Today I noticed the Thracian tomb of Kazanlak is set for inclusion in the National Atlas of Immovable Culture of Bulgaria. (See <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://gazettengr.com/thracian-tomb-of-kazanlak-set-for-national-atlas-of-immovable/?fbclid=IwAR3c2n1aPFEPUmnbO0laOcGjX9qe_yp769jOVlbyNZtRBoUZN7dkr2qXqYQ" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; border-style: none; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://gazettengr.com/thracian-tomb-of-kazanlak-set-for.../</a><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; white-space-collapse: collapse;"> )</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Kazanlak tomb has a beautifully frescoed dome that includes this wonderfully detailed painting of a chariot race.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBxyXIF8IIZvyAzgcE8TkQoVtSFQ-aDFjbnbsBC2Oc04fZucpqzoz3Vs_m_Trby9emlhosdiovBkU77sQkqPdYfWH7RdI9YUVSAjFvzaq0G4n7ruUnK4yn3F9ons5dxZof7lK7XQkAFHl_8CVL02toXb9NoXPRJSbOCPHIoXGUtF5VuKt9njMtlpyXTX8/s1280/Reproduction_of_Thracian_tomb_2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="960" data-original-width="1280" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBxyXIF8IIZvyAzgcE8TkQoVtSFQ-aDFjbnbsBC2Oc04fZucpqzoz3Vs_m_Trby9emlhosdiovBkU77sQkqPdYfWH7RdI9YUVSAjFvzaq0G4n7ruUnK4yn3F9ons5dxZof7lK7XQkAFHl_8CVL02toXb9NoXPRJSbOCPHIoXGUtF5VuKt9njMtlpyXTX8/w400-h300/Reproduction_of_Thracian_tomb_2.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Detail of a chariot race painted in the dome of the Kazanlak Tomb<br /><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;">image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Psy Guy</span> </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">The tomb is part of a large royal Thracian necropolis in the Valley of the Thracian Rulers near their ancient capital of Seuthopolis in a region where more than a </span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="font-family: inherit;">thousand tombs of royalty and members of the Thracian aristocracy can be found.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The vaulted-brickwork "beehive" (tholos) monument dates back to the fourth century BCE and has been on the UNESCO protected World Heritage Site list since 1979. The paintings in this small tomb are Bulgaria's best-preserved artistic masterpieces from the Hellenistic period. Although the tomb is not open to the public to preserve the delicate paintings, a full-size exact replica stands nearby for public access.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Gemini if Thracian tholos-style tombs were similar to Greek tholos style tombs and Gemini replied:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">There are both similarities and differences in the construction methods of Thracian and Greek tholos tombs. Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Similarities:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall Shape: Both Thracian and Greek tholos tombs share the distinctive beehive or circular form, creating a large underground chamber.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Corbel Vaulting: The construction technique likely involved corbel vaulting, where each layer of stone slabs leans inwards slightly, gradually creating the domed ceiling.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dromos (Passage): An entrance passage, known as a dromos, typically leads down to the main chamber in both traditions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Differences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Building Materials: Greek tholos tombs often used well-cut and dressed stone blocks, while Thracian tombs might incorporate a wider variety of materials, including local fieldstones alongside cut stones.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">False Vaulting: Some Thracian tombs might have employed a "false vault" technique, where large slabs were laid horizontally across the top, distributing the weight rather than using the corbel technique throughout.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Decorative Elements: Greek tholos tombs are sometimes known for their grand entryways and imposing lintels, features less common in Thracian examples.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Additional Points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dating: Greek tholos tombs were primarily built during the Mycenaean period (1600-1100 BCE), while Thracian tholos tombs flourished from the 4th to 3rd centuries BCE. This time difference could explain some construction technique variations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional Variations: Both Greek and Thracian regions might have had their own sub-styles within the tholos tomb tradition.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In essence, the Thracians adopted the basic concept of the tholos tomb from the Greek world, but adapted it using their own materials and potentially incorporating some different construction techniques."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I also asked Gemini if beehive-style tholos tombs were used by any other culture around the Mediterranean after the 5th century BCE</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">and Gemini replied:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"While the peak usage of beehive-style tholos tombs waned after the 5th century BCE, there are some examples of their continued use or influence in specific Mediterranean cultures:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Etruria (Italy): Though Etruscan civilization was declining by the 5th century BCE, some earlier Etruscan tumulus tombs (burial mounds) incorporated tholos elements, with corbelled chambers beneath the mounds.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Sardinia (Italy): The Nuragic civilization of Sardinia, active well into the 1st millennium BCE, constructed unique beehive-shaped structures called nuraghe. While not exclusively tombs, some nuraghe might have served funerary purposes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Iberia (Spain & Portugal): The tholos tradition continued to a lesser extent in some parts of the Iberian peninsula. The "tholos of Romeral" in Andalusia, Spain, is an example dating to the 3rd century BCE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">"It's important to note that these are not widespread practices and represent more of a continuation or echo of the tholos tradition in specific regions, rather than a dominant form of tomb construction. </span><span style="background-color: white; white-space-collapse: collapse;">Considering the expanse of time between the Mycenaeans and the Thracians, however, it makes a person wonder why an architectural tradition from so long ago would have been resurrected unless a Thracian king visited Greece and, seeing an ancient tholos-style tomb, was inspired by it.</span></div></div><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">As for the obvious Greek influence in the tomb frescos, Gemini points out </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">it is thought Thracian artists may have trained in Greece but ultimately painted Thracian tombs themselves:</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">"While there's evidence of Greek influence in Thracian tomb art, it's <a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a>unlikely the Thracians exclusively employed Greek artists. Here's why:</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">Local Artistic Tradition: Thrace had its own artistic tradition, evident in surviving metalwork and pottery. It's more probable that Thracian artists, familiar with Greek styles through trade or cultural exchange, created the tomb frescoes.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">Limited Evidence: We lack clear records of foreign artists working in Thrace specifically for tomb decoration.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">However, there are some possibilities:</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">Guest Artists: There might have been instances where highly skilled Greek artists were invited to work on a Thracian tomb, but this would likely have been for a particularly wealthy or powerful patron.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">Thracian Training: Thracian artists could have traveled and trained in Greece, bringing those skills back to their homeland.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s" style="color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: white;">Overall, the available evidence suggests Thracian artists were the primary creators of the frescoes, incorporating Greek artistic influences into their own repertoire.</span></div></div><p><br /></p>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-27129974289025417442024-03-01T12:18:00.000-08:002024-03-01T12:18:55.881-08:00Strongboxes and banks in the Roman Empire<p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Beautiful image of the recently restored atrium in the House of the Vettii in Pompeii taken just last year by Professor Johannes Eber as displayed by </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpompeiiinpictures.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2N4A2LEdm9g8vsAnq43_J2UHUGLr3iR4n9gfQqhxjPh0qMlKWzlfka414&h=AT1MEmxhVxCMmU-fDnT4rCXbiTrqThN1tcN5w0wxeg2sD67llj8x0Gvi9IGYXhOnC8ToEuv5G16JhVJAmTabEF9-4Q4S7_8UdribYQNaWCs-yyeVhA0qZf98hnPmz0lFDkzAO4wj2zNjwtoSnw&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT1guR6KsStW9hC5Aez7YLR-RZFRjCBQt0npETEN0iwmdSKMIqItTeGvDqWP05YIMvQdJDPBxXDfiP7zVc7NHW430DcxWitBC3mEGvPrLMK-amB-KeAYBsoC5NzvJ7e2P-gMy1woQuAanH75l-GM2b0DZQICSOiTt3hqsbZZwUH854HTKxSF0w" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-style: none; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">pompeiiinpictures.com.</a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> The Vettii brothers' strongbox is encased in glass on the left. </span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxqaf0Qesxvr1AwVKpIZk_V1OHby4-p7YqRp2qy_6Gy65xZWf7c4HYRZTseUSCXshLd2y57Iv5KvnAJ8G554G26W6u4l7H74GV3SkEnsQ-9zN6JDy81Od0z4pCLESuiYsCC6CJzZgl-yb3P_hXfdZwdqSCoi_H_Q26EtZZUg2Nj_C5HEnFQE8wb-iPHjM/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20south-west%20across%20atrium%20towards%20south%20ala,%20in%20centre,%20across%20impluvium%20towards%20peristyle%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxqaf0Qesxvr1AwVKpIZk_V1OHby4-p7YqRp2qy_6Gy65xZWf7c4HYRZTseUSCXshLd2y57Iv5KvnAJ8G554G26W6u4l7H74GV3SkEnsQ-9zN6JDy81Od0z4pCLESuiYsCC6CJzZgl-yb3P_hXfdZwdqSCoi_H_Q26EtZZUg2Nj_C5HEnFQE8wb-iPHjM/w400-h266/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20south-west%20across%20atrium%20towards%20south%20ala,%20in%20centre,%20across%20impluvium%20towards%20peristyle%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Looking south-west across atrium towards south ala, in centre, across impluvium towards peristyle courtesy of Johannes Eber</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: verdana; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Although strongboxes looked formidable their size and ornamentation could have been somewhat exaggerated to emphasize the wealth of the residents since they were used for temporary storage of valuables and currency needed to operate the </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: verdana; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: verdana; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">household but not protect the residents' accumulated wealth since the primary entrances to a Roman house were open to the passing public. Gemini explains:</span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"In ancient Rome, both strongboxes and banks were used to store valuables, including currency. However, their specific functions and popularity differed:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Strongboxes:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Primary use: Primarily used for short-term storage of valuables, especially in domestic settings like the House of the Vettii.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Currency storage: While Romans did store coins in strongboxes, it was likely for smaller amounts needed for daily use or immediate access.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Security: Offered a physical barrier against theft and fire, but their level of security varied depending on the materials and construction.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Banks (Mensae)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Primary use: Primarily used for long-term storage of valuables and larger sums of money, especially for wealthier individuals and businesses.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Currency storage: Banks were the preferred option for storing large amounts of coins and other valuables like precious metals and documents.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Security: Offered greater security compared to strongboxes due to their often fortified structures and professional management. They might also have had additional safeguards like armed guards and complex record-keeping systems.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Key points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Strongboxes were more common for everyday use and smaller amounts, while banks were the preferred option for larger sums and long-term storage.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The presence of a strongbox in the House of the Vettii suggests they might have kept smaller amounts of currency readily accessible, while their larger wealth would likely have been stored in a bank (mensae) for added security."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-36843710751511063582024-03-01T12:14:00.000-08:002024-03-01T12:14:50.123-08:00Possible interpretations of depictions of the myth of Leda and the Swan in the House of the Vetti (Pompeii)<p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I've been working on more images from the House of the Vettii in Pompeii and here are some of those images from contributors to </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpompeiiinpictures.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2N4A2LEdm9g8vsAnq43_J2UHUGLr3iR4n9gfQqhxjPh0qMlKWzlfka414&h=AT1MEmxhVxCMmU-fDnT4rCXbiTrqThN1tcN5w0wxeg2sD67llj8x0Gvi9IGYXhOnC8ToEuv5G16JhVJAmTabEF9-4Q4S7_8UdribYQNaWCs-yyeVhA0qZf98hnPmz0lFDkzAO4wj2zNjwtoSnw&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT18HndGmbik-xiZYvbs2i1OFJOi1fYtsgY26R8Dy8uhamyEOXnJVPH1RyNCsBcgA8ooH_n6kQ6BoDUwAMX9ccvrB4AkmEJZyI35cstctMh_WlDKbtjHe-9GroW-jfAqgr1USVKZ7gZ2JeiqOU0NBQBwm3AgBOwE9TXRZv-EpLJI2xnolyii4w" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-style: none; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">pompeiiinpictures.com.</a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> I've been using the latest version of Topaz Gigapixel AI to not only sharpen and denoise the images but double their resolution to make them more suitable for use in research and teaching. Under US copyright law, photographs of two-dimensional public domain art are considered public domain work as well and are recognized as </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">such on Wikimedia Commons. So, these digitally enhanced images have been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for public use by US authors or those from other countries with similar public domain legislation.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJSknOKvhEE0rBcSQY8yay85-jtAOXDDdsEdZxAJYK8pHRmcXL7uErq-sDqVHYIc6fVm06VGHwECXlhKLjM29Y2k5yCiV2Xtp5OlOS5YD2OR57GvZxQgKbn-gC7WIiAC7inhSaAcIrSDaiSr7Q94evOXh-p6WYgp25dK_n4VfOc27ygMLiOMxl2PmoBM0/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20of%20Leda%20and%20the%20Swan%20from%20center%20of%20upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJSknOKvhEE0rBcSQY8yay85-jtAOXDDdsEdZxAJYK8pHRmcXL7uErq-sDqVHYIc6fVm06VGHwECXlhKLjM29Y2k5yCiV2Xtp5OlOS5YD2OR57GvZxQgKbn-gC7WIiAC7inhSaAcIrSDaiSr7Q94evOXh-p6WYgp25dK_n4VfOc27ygMLiOMxl2PmoBM0/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20of%20Leda%20and%20the%20Swan%20from%20center%20of%20upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail of painted figure of Leda and the Swan from center of upper south wall of oecus courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5Xz-mGTcDZxZfTg1qVHkFt22MmYXTAvk1-DfAVgPJc_BPaeoqG2bprc_N7BcKRK9ZjBfFh2b_492h8nZ0_XIQR5q8r27mAijwseUrPlJFsJuZeBuG1HqGAHJEDI9FAUdVkYxsTUQkw_Y8NrfnRtUkt0BIfy5wfWRxjXU0Ae318QIHhGAQJAlvGU99pro/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202006%20Detail%20of%20painting%20on%20wall%20in%20oecus%20on%20south%20side%20of%20atrium%20%20PIP-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1536" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5Xz-mGTcDZxZfTg1qVHkFt22MmYXTAvk1-DfAVgPJc_BPaeoqG2bprc_N7BcKRK9ZjBfFh2b_492h8nZ0_XIQR5q8r27mAijwseUrPlJFsJuZeBuG1HqGAHJEDI9FAUdVkYxsTUQkw_Y8NrfnRtUkt0BIfy5wfWRxjXU0Ae318QIHhGAQJAlvGU99pro/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202006%20Detail%20of%20painting%20on%20wall%20in%20oecus%20on%20south%20side%20of%20atrium%20%20PIP-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2006 Detail of painting on wall in oecus on south side of atrium courtesy of pompeiiinpictures.com</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_9yMSI3Mv32CxYSOk_Kh8Da25ReXawt0W02r0LyYHxpCSt7zOK5X1u_7eUnFy7HEA75weorK9yxdZQNvwq63HIP6VPcRk1vKWgLKankJ_6bAHd7yZfS5A-gqTX7gzWoiyoBfqhSqbu4zJ3t7XfegHzJlfuMzEdMlejKfQnh7nZjhCScbBZZmslpc6qCo/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Detail%20from%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus,%20on%20east%20side%20of%20central%20painting%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="568" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_9yMSI3Mv32CxYSOk_Kh8Da25ReXawt0W02r0LyYHxpCSt7zOK5X1u_7eUnFy7HEA75weorK9yxdZQNvwq63HIP6VPcRk1vKWgLKankJ_6bAHd7yZfS5A-gqTX7gzWoiyoBfqhSqbu4zJ3t7XfegHzJlfuMzEdMlejKfQnh7nZjhCScbBZZmslpc6qCo/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Detail%20from%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus,%20on%20east%20side%20of%20central%20painting%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="178" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2019 Detail from south wall of oecus, on east side of central painting courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjA8TdWr03QJOXNTenXHT5mqDQVTEbnOn0rNHrHlt5k3nbfbv5bdwPqQBwXsc1sHF8cmlcaJaOgVmMKJb_3S00HclFfTd34xTt6E2g0MA93h0PHDyOUkXy4-1hOR2Z9B2YGn_X_Er0N7yJ_BKuPwQ7bYNjaS0P9fUXOWUxRCosrc_Z7XxNd28u5F9wUZQw/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20from%20panel%20on%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="574" data-original-width="1024" height="179" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjA8TdWr03QJOXNTenXHT5mqDQVTEbnOn0rNHrHlt5k3nbfbv5bdwPqQBwXsc1sHF8cmlcaJaOgVmMKJb_3S00HclFfTd34xTt6E2g0MA93h0PHDyOUkXy4-1hOR2Z9B2YGn_X_Er0N7yJ_BKuPwQ7bYNjaS0P9fUXOWUxRCosrc_Z7XxNd28u5F9wUZQw/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20from%20panel%20on%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2019 Detail of painted decoration from panel on west wall of oecus courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9oJzaSgqjlFhCJhF6sFdhRJtFqsVlgF6BGjNXYpWohzhrwswZvZftsFdK3_pT_4UuAx_5tIqG6NtWwwsqoa3hEP1ghZZPMJ9lZ4JZ2zQ6uW_DLpw3u-5eGfMkm3giUNZXKprYUH3lP0E8twlbMdxB0qGQnatvGstUujyIRHQJnRasCkLJ7cNEdO8jWIQ/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="576" data-original-width="1024" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9oJzaSgqjlFhCJhF6sFdhRJtFqsVlgF6BGjNXYpWohzhrwswZvZftsFdK3_pT_4UuAx_5tIqG6NtWwwsqoa3hEP1ghZZPMJ9lZ4JZ2zQ6uW_DLpw3u-5eGfMkm3giUNZXKprYUH3lP0E8twlbMdxB0qGQnatvGstUujyIRHQJnRasCkLJ7cNEdO8jWIQ/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202019%20Upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2019 Upper west wall at south end of oecus courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella.</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjawh7vE2U_5wMyNzMKaHFL1MEFCcwbpxijoAzLIM-25HkHTE5BIOZ0XKi7skyJRO2YA57uKF-GHdCeK_ONFBQv17Hor6LmrcRw2Bh-677lsB2pJ6InpYYkU53Lnwjke8dWFBeG5asi1xbis9zF3Ca1xeo0l5ZdSZ0QE5C-jRwo80fCc7qiWvBpLKfq9Jg/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Central%20wall%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20showing%20Dionysus%20and%20Ariadne,%20as%20well%20as%20the%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pann%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1366" data-original-width="2048" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjawh7vE2U_5wMyNzMKaHFL1MEFCcwbpxijoAzLIM-25HkHTE5BIOZ0XKi7skyJRO2YA57uKF-GHdCeK_ONFBQv17Hor6LmrcRw2Bh-677lsB2pJ6InpYYkU53Lnwjke8dWFBeG5asi1xbis9zF3Ca1xeo0l5ZdSZ0QE5C-jRwo80fCc7qiWvBpLKfq9Jg/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Central%20wall%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20showing%20Dionysus%20and%20Ariadne,%20as%20well%20as%20the%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pann%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Central wall painting on south wall showing Dionysus and Ariadne, as well as the fight between Eros and Pann courtesy of Johannes Eber</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh42rw1kdCcgfnwRP4bJT1u4-33vCBf57IUMwoHUoLhMn3AMmiGr7gT64-i0A7CDjOs1udH78y0CYViYeZy3vW9YuCot3nUQYZ_CW9I4J_3XvJfMvd1AwUpsiL9MF8kw184wK5Z_xBwrcOVYm-nkhjzni4EwEM66BSLuOYbdX0uxuzQKTvPAlwPvYERxuA/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Decorative%20medallion%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1366" data-original-width="2048" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh42rw1kdCcgfnwRP4bJT1u4-33vCBf57IUMwoHUoLhMn3AMmiGr7gT64-i0A7CDjOs1udH78y0CYViYeZy3vW9YuCot3nUQYZ_CW9I4J_3XvJfMvd1AwUpsiL9MF8kw184wK5Z_xBwrcOVYm-nkhjzni4EwEM66BSLuOYbdX0uxuzQKTvPAlwPvYERxuA/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Decorative%20medallion%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Decorative medallion from west wall of oecus at south end courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgomUM-qC9ODR0JknBocarKjYRv91RF68GgLeVYnUg13kQM2KH_Ahbwxf89sE2Ix95wx47tGKZCgXAERoMO8UQsVZR3TNM1ZtOUhcBrpNqLldwGQ2RkksycMhNMxcuYvzmgt9CEqj2yrTDkzhs3-JSe8jOAJt5e7YWGqqd7-JACCXy6oL6SrIBExYrTSyg/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20showing%20the%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pan%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgomUM-qC9ODR0JknBocarKjYRv91RF68GgLeVYnUg13kQM2KH_Ahbwxf89sE2Ix95wx47tGKZCgXAERoMO8UQsVZR3TNM1ZtOUhcBrpNqLldwGQ2RkksycMhNMxcuYvzmgt9CEqj2yrTDkzhs3-JSe8jOAJt5e7YWGqqd7-JACCXy6oL6SrIBExYrTSyg/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20showing%20the%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pan%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail from central painting on south wall showing the fight between Eros and Pan courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQV2GSElKLu1pl90DYsV8rgkPljFQ4By8d9qzCye3a5-XAN9ftjzxzMh_CFIUcO0VFGhvuPVfA7xdcwJtMo8KaIRUF-xro9x6Q6T4Vg8R-d5inVmHte2SBQZe5Lm4WgTCMylyH7PGLPW23xvMXx15SogKvPZ8usmu3Z8DSdF_wztNxJDmxcC6bTl5cadY/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20decorative%20medallion%20from%20north%20end%20of%20west%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1366" data-original-width="2048" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQV2GSElKLu1pl90DYsV8rgkPljFQ4By8d9qzCye3a5-XAN9ftjzxzMh_CFIUcO0VFGhvuPVfA7xdcwJtMo8KaIRUF-xro9x6Q6T4Vg8R-d5inVmHte2SBQZe5Lm4WgTCMylyH7PGLPW23xvMXx15SogKvPZ8usmu3Z8DSdF_wztNxJDmxcC6bTl5cadY/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20decorative%20medallion%20from%20north%20end%20of%20west%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail from decorative medallion from north end of west wall courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFarifudLq6bKJwvN11mfWzm-GEqbUH-YmWLNqSspUUKxIO4XvZnUhLXPRa5ImXfN3tVcfODOixxxFYrJywvAd-MvTGXczKwT7JFAp3wLozj-xEI8bla4gxlIStSB-nYv88NJYxnrCk07rUbTw3VUq6as-X9jevexWXqzvoiYsW5uYhqdThyl7-Hm9kwE/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20upper%20south%20wall%20at%20west%20end%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFarifudLq6bKJwvN11mfWzm-GEqbUH-YmWLNqSspUUKxIO4XvZnUhLXPRa5ImXfN3tVcfODOixxxFYrJywvAd-MvTGXczKwT7JFAp3wLozj-xEI8bla4gxlIStSB-nYv88NJYxnrCk07rUbTw3VUq6as-X9jevexWXqzvoiYsW5uYhqdThyl7-Hm9kwE/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20upper%20south%20wall%20at%20west%20end%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail from upper south wall at west end of oecus courtesy of Klaus Heese.</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghr2gdq-Knjja9fARdJ1E-Mbw4iESS0TZLKYy-N2W7VvxS2kObJtnHnadFT2woN9tilLgwAb4kT36wIEZGyyxO_kN2IaQlURmxObSbq2cDWCp9C-Qkd08JPUeJYYpd6ncil6rphNEgCeiXIhsTd7rUlzEFub79YGPYjqBvyyUZqHzVdyrkeYE69yWAeyA/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20east%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghr2gdq-Knjja9fARdJ1E-Mbw4iESS0TZLKYy-N2W7VvxS2kObJtnHnadFT2woN9tilLgwAb4kT36wIEZGyyxO_kN2IaQlURmxObSbq2cDWCp9C-Qkd08JPUeJYYpd6ncil6rphNEgCeiXIhsTd7rUlzEFub79YGPYjqBvyyUZqHzVdyrkeYE69yWAeyA/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20from%20upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20east%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail from upper south wall of oecus at east end courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEaL8DZx4k3ytzL3mh2C_Tvpu_4vsgmOfXTSN8AidrOwdQ5stPH-JP3nJ256rD2EGPonRkuNBMnbkVBcXjYPN23rLdbyOpHovXWyeyJTJFeSsHb98fqG1_KAasUQG1DquHZCGHNUFlEukFH9dXr6Vroy9kE4BdvUXXxLBTaItdvhgugqQV5S4Y4rYc2Kk/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne,%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1366" data-original-width="2048" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEaL8DZx4k3ytzL3mh2C_Tvpu_4vsgmOfXTSN8AidrOwdQ5stPH-JP3nJ256rD2EGPonRkuNBMnbkVBcXjYPN23rLdbyOpHovXWyeyJTJFeSsHb98fqG1_KAasUQG1DquHZCGHNUFlEukFH9dXr6Vroy9kE4BdvUXXxLBTaItdvhgugqQV5S4Y4rYc2Kk/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne,%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail of Bacchus and Ariadne, from central painting on south wall courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifS151Tdr_cW_cFjqOp9V7pOAxgB6ndy5EhViT4NIhoHOU1Df6cGdYshOfJAHik5fpRo7fr3G5kctxMYM8RYzShF7VEXimL0o7XJeSkQQIhra4BCXjCuNsOx9zwf5J60oQuC82lSdueqenizBztHcqd3hjYFuHF-S0eAozGtKFwXQ4NqygvjbnQt38yog/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20figure%20from%20upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifS151Tdr_cW_cFjqOp9V7pOAxgB6ndy5EhViT4NIhoHOU1Df6cGdYshOfJAHik5fpRo7fr3G5kctxMYM8RYzShF7VEXimL0o7XJeSkQQIhra4BCXjCuNsOx9zwf5J60oQuC82lSdueqenizBztHcqd3hjYFuHF-S0eAozGtKFwXQ4NqygvjbnQt38yog/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20figure%20from%20upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail of figure from upper west wall at south end courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLBWXbaD6s64rGZjQs2kkoqdapZ_tHje1_9tKuUU9yZ3KeYeLsqW0MQ5WJsNsLz-DbP_r86_NrIwZmtdZ9T84Mh8OMoWmGNiqccD8hyphenhyphenCMDd6dN5mijXbkZveP5K1gCGiuzCkuQzRhiSmts3AJPFY0ml2-xfQgle0cowtRBSX8YN4Lmskas-J7f2bT03Lk/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLBWXbaD6s64rGZjQs2kkoqdapZ_tHje1_9tKuUU9yZ3KeYeLsqW0MQ5WJsNsLz-DbP_r86_NrIwZmtdZ9T84Mh8OMoWmGNiqccD8hyphenhyphenCMDd6dN5mijXbkZveP5K1gCGiuzCkuQzRhiSmts3AJPFY0ml2-xfQgle0cowtRBSX8YN4Lmskas-J7f2bT03Lk/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail of painted decoration of oecus courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6b1pWiDlGLIERR675g8FSVBcrlvHbBpvDcN-bUGHQNrxbjXVeEX3UwrPND7G2Y0kpoHbvpWgqZSDy0P88I7-iKSG2V2zvVGjuPGh5sGwpFjRzjXHoXOEnzqdCzr19OdVRLVCmpDgEzV7z7TLf00TJXrkpl5EKL3KQNFkbdPX2JPL5-qfSF2PjwIjutMA/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20peacocks%20from%20upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6b1pWiDlGLIERR675g8FSVBcrlvHbBpvDcN-bUGHQNrxbjXVeEX3UwrPND7G2Y0kpoHbvpWgqZSDy0P88I7-iKSG2V2zvVGjuPGh5sGwpFjRzjXHoXOEnzqdCzr19OdVRLVCmpDgEzV7z7TLf00TJXrkpl5EKL3KQNFkbdPX2JPL5-qfSF2PjwIjutMA/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Detail%20of%20painted%20peacocks%20from%20upper%20west%20wall%20at%20south%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-low%20resolution-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Detail of painted peacocks from upper west wall at south end courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4DQ5H8DTz7U8pGQGcdyHMjq1MSwAUgXVj7vJLpyiE9N41795VmhwY4_Pm3vGanD2nmNx01plIEr7qw6kgwYuh0d4xWEMSsIlGTaSwoWuztSuAREgGhx6t5-3erTUdvgHjtL7FajafHf-V04r2iE3v7pvsElMGfZp6MJ2e599XIQHG-0eUBeBpTAUIA8o/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20central%20panel%20of%20south%20wall%20with%20painting%20showing%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pan%20with%20painting%20of%20Leda%20and%20the%20Swan%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4DQ5H8DTz7U8pGQGcdyHMjq1MSwAUgXVj7vJLpyiE9N41795VmhwY4_Pm3vGanD2nmNx01plIEr7qw6kgwYuh0d4xWEMSsIlGTaSwoWuztSuAREgGhx6t5-3erTUdvgHjtL7FajafHf-V04r2iE3v7pvsElMGfZp6MJ2e599XIQHG-0eUBeBpTAUIA8o/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20central%20panel%20of%20south%20wall%20with%20painting%20showing%20fight%20between%20Eros%20and%20Pan%20with%20painting%20of%20Leda%20and%20the%20Swan%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Looking towards central panel of south wall with painting showing fight between Eros and Pan with painting of Leda and the Swan courtesy of Johannes Eber</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwvDU230Hb1zROLwAIm5vB17Sk-J6C5pkB1AGuz6ZO-r4MrVY6XQA7yEN0unj4z-jNe1qQWbyhM8BZcNu-8m4fDDxVse1rg7AmwO5TUV7CKdsG6yBTNXtK1FKQ3efA_hyphenhyphenfNRoNfnbMxucOgjXAF-g7Dk5Gyy65D9T1VVrU0NZ8H7-MfdfykhuHeKT1yw8/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20upper%20and%20middle%20area%20of%20%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8Bsouth%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwvDU230Hb1zROLwAIm5vB17Sk-J6C5pkB1AGuz6ZO-r4MrVY6XQA7yEN0unj4z-jNe1qQWbyhM8BZcNu-8m4fDDxVse1rg7AmwO5TUV7CKdsG6yBTNXtK1FKQ3efA_hyphenhyphenfNRoNfnbMxucOgjXAF-g7Dk5Gyy65D9T1VVrU0NZ8H7-MfdfykhuHeKT1yw8/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20upper%20and%20middle%20area%20of%20%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8Bsouth%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Looking towards upper and middle area of south wall of oecus courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZa0o6C6QM8M7wfNw0xSlKVgpK-H-o_Aj_5CePBRu84RsHNn1NBrUB4XDkakQddFNUIXg1zuVD1NyxTwKA2AYdR8fzF5thVLGmSY7kuHXmEaziW4RkYxai_M-9RmTFsNSkTK_z86O7LR7rd6W9rTf7gDfO6WblryHeml2-6UYf_BPebKaGOF-gULmawD0/s1024/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20upper%20and%20middle%20area%20of%20%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8Bwest%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZa0o6C6QM8M7wfNw0xSlKVgpK-H-o_Aj_5CePBRu84RsHNn1NBrUB4XDkakQddFNUIXg1zuVD1NyxTwKA2AYdR8fzF5thVLGmSY7kuHXmEaziW4RkYxai_M-9RmTFsNSkTK_z86O7LR7rd6W9rTf7gDfO6WblryHeml2-6UYf_BPebKaGOF-gULmawD0/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Looking%20towards%20upper%20and%20middle%20area%20of%20%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8Bwest%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Giuseppe%20Ciaramella..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Looking towards upper and middle area of west wall of oecus courtesy of Giuseppe Ciaramella</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFUs00bWVpaR2AjqEpxwe-HbUPVVJGpBXFLpAsByDy4nEd6O6N_9ZIvTAr4iXkgsbW9MpCWYvO3DAT68sNw23AeOtS5VHu3I3CfrFhof-W68LRONb6mnGb9I5XaWH5vROUHBf1bpo35RYpLdDioSoGU4h2eaamS2YJvZ8q3tjKWGNZrT7E0OIu-TjwFr0/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Painted%20figure%20of%20Muse%20Urania,%20from%20west%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFUs00bWVpaR2AjqEpxwe-HbUPVVJGpBXFLpAsByDy4nEd6O6N_9ZIvTAr4iXkgsbW9MpCWYvO3DAT68sNw23AeOtS5VHu3I3CfrFhof-W68LRONb6mnGb9I5XaWH5vROUHBf1bpo35RYpLdDioSoGU4h2eaamS2YJvZ8q3tjKWGNZrT7E0OIu-TjwFr0/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Painted%20figure%20of%20Muse%20Urania,%20from%20west%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Painted figure of Muse Urania, from west end of south wall of oecus courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdEeb1EHctVzzuMBKsIXJejWKybb_5kyvHaZATXNL-zzYVx4Dni5qpKIe8pgoNx-PKnKNJcMhNdffIL53aATtgDE-PGX80PPBFp5tg3gZY0EN6ZWkkzdsZFuZApHeG3_eNCAdDdMsvEF-h7s9aUK4MafVUAiACDw68Wh_0IRQ8oBUJJdwVykDQG2QWECo/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Upper%20center%20of%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus,%20detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20of%20Zeus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdEeb1EHctVzzuMBKsIXJejWKybb_5kyvHaZATXNL-zzYVx4Dni5qpKIe8pgoNx-PKnKNJcMhNdffIL53aATtgDE-PGX80PPBFp5tg3gZY0EN6ZWkkzdsZFuZApHeG3_eNCAdDdMsvEF-h7s9aUK4MafVUAiACDw68Wh_0IRQ8oBUJJdwVykDQG2QWECo/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Upper%20center%20of%20west%20wall%20of%20oecus,%20detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20of%20Zeus%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Upper center of west wall of oecus, detail of painted figure of Zeus courtesy of Klaus Heese</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoBA857eIcKMjszeKgxQednqGupyFw3bMeRTspX6v9SVqeqGoTF0fWOeo7crHHZN7H9Pa9Bz1SaII55TnwHNf_Jv9UNBJds2HNjdWITr5ZVHMqLqk3MycYfB7ns08KdKiG2RiCMk6eanL8Q-nLmjiF4TcyXo_09Rgs6Xbnce31af8hPnpSRhsRY4kUzTU/s2048/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20east%20end,%20painted%20figure%20of%20Mercury%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1366" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoBA857eIcKMjszeKgxQednqGupyFw3bMeRTspX6v9SVqeqGoTF0fWOeo7crHHZN7H9Pa9Bz1SaII55TnwHNf_Jv9UNBJds2HNjdWITr5ZVHMqLqk3MycYfB7ns08KdKiG2RiCMk6eanL8Q-nLmjiF4TcyXo_09Rgs6Xbnce31af8hPnpSRhsRY4kUzTU/s320/House%20of%20the%20Vettii%20VI%2015,1%20Pompeii%202023%20Upper%20south%20wall%20of%20oecus%20at%20east%20end,%20painted%20figure%20of%20Mercury%20courtesy%20of%20Klaus%20Heese.-gigapixel-standard%20v2-2x.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of the Vettii VI 15,1 Pompeii 2023 Upper south wall of oecus at east end, painted figure of Mercury courtesy of Klaus Heese<br /><br /></td></tr></tbody></table></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">These frescos were found in an oecus adjoining the atrium accessed through either entrances VI 15,27 or VI 15,1. Its mythological iconography includes a painting of Leda and the Swan. Gemini suggests possible interpretations of this popular myth:</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The message conveyed by depictions of the Leda and the Swan myth is complex and multifaceted, and interpretations can vary depending on the specific artwork, historical context, and individual viewer. Here are some potential interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Divine power and seduction: The most straightforward interpretation focuses on the seduction of Leda by Zeus, disguised as a swan. This highlights the irresistible power of gods and their ability to manipulate mortals for their desires, often with consequences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Fate and destiny: Leda's encounter with the swan, often depicted as unexpected and forceful, symbolizes the unpredictable nature of fate and how seemingly random events can have profound consequences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Duality and contrasting forces: The contrasting figures of Leda, a human woman, and the swan, representing the divine, can symbolize the duality of human nature and the conflict between reason and passion, or the earthly and the divine.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Beauty and power: Leda's beauty, often emphasized in depictions, can be seen as a source of both admiration and danger, attracting powerful forces with potentially destructive consequences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Fertility and procreation: In some interpretations, the myth is connected to themes of fertility and procreation. Leda's union with the swan results in the birth of Helen of Troy and Castor and Pollux, highlighting the divine origins of powerful figures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that these are just potential interpretations, and the specific meaning conveyed by individual depictions can be influenced by various factors, including the artist's intent, the cultural context of the artwork, and the viewer's own perspective."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-78279449536544519302024-02-22T10:02:00.000-08:002024-02-22T10:02:29.826-08:00The Ara Pacis and local Roman politics<p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> <span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The Ara Pacis seems to be the target of local Roman politicians who apparently don't appreciate the structure that was erected around it. The article points out that the Ara Pacis was not originally located at its current location but moved there by Mussolini in 1938. Gemini points out that it wasn't just a simple relocation, however.</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Original Location: The Ara Pacis wasn't moved directly from its original location to its current one. Its initial site was in the northeastern <span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span>corner of the Campus Martius, a large open space in ancient Rome near the Tiber River. This area was roughly north of the current Piazza del Popolo and west of the Mausoleum of Augustus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Gradual Burial and Rediscovery: Over time, sediment deposits from the Tiber gradually buried the Ara Pacis. It wasn't until the 16th and 19th centuries that fragments of the monument were rediscovered in various locations around the Campus Martius.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Reconstruction and Modern Location: In the early 20th century, extensive excavations uncovered more substantial portions of the Ara Pacis. Mussolini then commissioned the reconstruction and reassembly of the monument in a new, purpose-built pavilion designed by architect Vittorio Ballio Morpurgo. This pavilion, near the Mausoleum of Augustus and the Lungotevere in Augusta, is where the Ara Pacis stands today.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Therefore, it wasn't a simple case of moving from point A to point B. The Ara Pacis was originally located in the Campus Martius, gradually buried over centuries, rediscovered in fragments, and then reconstructed in its current location."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://timesofmalta.com/article/controversial-rome-building-to-be-modified.301673?fbclid=IwAR1KsG8HuE5iffcHTy0knF_6uyEBEqGQjwW6vLqQD8RJ9T6vPzQH-D-nER8" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-style: none; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://timesofmalta.com/.../controversial-rome-building...</a></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Image: The Ara Pacis with its current enclosure courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Rabax63</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4CHXBIIy8UDvkeHAwnL7vXbyTIbux-44HwX5DcstP5d78xFMgMa8vb-jJkRHABg4eu1MBzRemhJm_Xhps1wRMUjlmC_IA5o6QcxlwZ89rpnm6NB9OzktkocG9mfp2AEGOaQ27HgrTivNk9ipXqq5UT6EJt2hCICTvV19vjJ2S3D3ay4xY3T0HNDsatxA/s1280/Ara_Pacis_(SW).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="815" data-original-width="1280" height="255" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4CHXBIIy8UDvkeHAwnL7vXbyTIbux-44HwX5DcstP5d78xFMgMa8vb-jJkRHABg4eu1MBzRemhJm_Xhps1wRMUjlmC_IA5o6QcxlwZ89rpnm6NB9OzktkocG9mfp2AEGOaQ27HgrTivNk9ipXqq5UT6EJt2hCICTvV19vjJ2S3D3ay4xY3T0HNDsatxA/w400-h255/Ara_Pacis_(SW).jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-91102029495411322022024-02-20T16:29:00.000-08:002024-02-20T16:29:45.592-08:00Modern misconceptions of Alexander the Great and Hephaestion<p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> <span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I watched Netflix's docudrama and, like Professor Paul Cartledge in his recent interview (</span></span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a href="https://www.thecollector.com/paul-cartledge-alexander-the-great-interview/">https://www.thecollector.com/paul-cartledge-alexander-the-great-interview/</a><a href="ps://www.thecollector.com/paul-cartledge-alexander-the-great-interview/)">)</a></span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">, I thought Netflix overemphasized the possible physical aspects of the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion as a lead-in to the program. I also thought the program did not really emphasize Alexander's intellectual prowess as it pertained to military strategy, especially in the dramatization of the battle at the Granicus River. Alexander did not charge headlong recklessly into the Persian troops immediately upon arrival </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">as portrayed in the film but carefully deployed his forces with unit commanders selected for their experience with troops armed with specific weapons. According to Arrian of Nicomedia, "After both armies finished their deployment, there was a moment of silence. Alexander then ordered Amyntas, son of Arrhabeus, to attack the Persian left wing with the Companion cavalry squadron of Socrates (now led by Ptolemy, son of Philip) at the front, followed by the Paeonian cavalry, the prodromoi and an unspecified infantry unit. Arrian then gives the impression that Alexander advanced at nearly the same time with the remainder of the right wing and the infantry, but later makes it clear that Alexander's attack came after the troops of Amyntas were pushed back. </span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Persians answered the charge of the vanguard with volleys of javelins. Amyntas's force was at a disadvantage because they were severely outnumbered and the Persians were defending higher ground at the top of the bank. The Macedonians suffered losses and retreated towards Alexander, who now attacked with the remaining Companion cavalry of the right wing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historian A. M. Devine reasons that the failure of the attack led by Amyntas was not a mistake, but a ruse to draw the Persian cavalry out of formation as they pursued the retreating force of Amyntas into the riverbed. The disruption of the Persian formation would have made them vulnerable to the second attack led by Alexander in person.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Although other historians do not necessarily agree with Devine, Devine's explanation of Alexander's strategy reminded me a lot of Hannibal's tactics at the Battle of Cannae where the appearance of weakness was used to draw the enemy into a vulnerable position.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The docudrama also presented Alexander as a youthful, inexperienced commander when, in fact, Alexander had successfully put down several revolts in the Balkans and Greece after Phillip's assassination to reassert Macedonian authority before embarking on his Persian campaign.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Image: Sculptures of Alexander the Great and Hephaestion that I photographed at the Getty Villa in Malibu, California.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyguQ7IeFOCdm3qWz4tgn2KWAN3rpUG4-rDV0cggV2cjWhPewSzh3eIujiiOsqPqsVe5ZugkkhFWYXbmYDBreeg31sbAzbXI9G8fROtql2Y9DZhMSL5r6Mb7AqxL6rhwRmhgEXzProZ8_raLwaWXOhUHnY8Dp8eoI1Wv7BcvD7pH8M1rGoo1crtIu2v5k/s3024/Alexander%20the%20Great%20and%20his%20Beloved%20Companion%20Hephaistion%20Side%20By%20Side%20As%20They%20Stood%20in%20Life%20sharpened.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2016" data-original-width="3024" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyguQ7IeFOCdm3qWz4tgn2KWAN3rpUG4-rDV0cggV2cjWhPewSzh3eIujiiOsqPqsVe5ZugkkhFWYXbmYDBreeg31sbAzbXI9G8fROtql2Y9DZhMSL5r6Mb7AqxL6rhwRmhgEXzProZ8_raLwaWXOhUHnY8Dp8eoI1Wv7BcvD7pH8M1rGoo1crtIu2v5k/w400-h266/Alexander%20the%20Great%20and%20his%20Beloved%20Companion%20Hephaistion%20Side%20By%20Side%20As%20They%20Stood%20in%20Life%20sharpened.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /> </div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-48480809149739206202024-02-08T13:53:00.000-08:002024-02-08T13:53:55.043-08:00Roman jewelry of the Fourth Century CE<p> <span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Another beautiful artifact from the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. photographed by my good friend Allan Gluck - a fourth century CE fragmented gold necklace studded with cabochons (gemstones that have been polished but not faceted) of emeralds, garnet, pearl, and amethyst.</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWM2KV1zuZ8WToXIp8IZSp58iP45Ba76o6lR3n2FNftHni8lT-RBWVx2rY6xdY-lKHn7l-lX1ljOkYY11ZqAw2y3heetfZgWB-FLp_r3wpYFhoFF9UWOKbyQk_b3jDLowZqhXhzqZimgtt5U8BCXBpcrtX14Zn4DTkbeTbe6S7-LDNjFn1IbIOBd42IpI/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWM2KV1zuZ8WToXIp8IZSp58iP45Ba76o6lR3n2FNftHni8lT-RBWVx2rY6xdY-lKHn7l-lX1ljOkYY11ZqAw2y3heetfZgWB-FLp_r3wpYFhoFF9UWOKbyQk_b3jDLowZqhXhzqZimgtt5U8BCXBpcrtX14Zn4DTkbeTbe6S7-LDNjFn1IbIOBd42IpI/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKyAoKFv3PG3q35XWpOx3pX2tXfs9Q2jztbR6HaG4e_ocknz-gFW1Mzig6pbpDtwjVyPpyUF6_hfk3pY36HMgpVDIL7nTprRi1uUZtbmtnB7HCAjWbjD16reRbsssePo5fXHLStI4KDeGJhc1Id_MTfcmtffBcDyP__uUbOIeaCjdjgZkVWmw36WVjaAQ/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(4)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20EFFECTS%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKyAoKFv3PG3q35XWpOx3pX2tXfs9Q2jztbR6HaG4e_ocknz-gFW1Mzig6pbpDtwjVyPpyUF6_hfk3pY36HMgpVDIL7nTprRi1uUZtbmtnB7HCAjWbjD16reRbsssePo5fXHLStI4KDeGJhc1Id_MTfcmtffBcDyP__uUbOIeaCjdjgZkVWmw36WVjaAQ/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(4)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20EFFECTS%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinQbXMkwjODD3HVGMt4tSx6jDrbHWWfHB2xsM8d1HOHDvxb5uF2vFwpl0R_YmgqYttVnofHIIr3LMQW0lVW8vuVRSGzK9H9Z8ZBlFZm84DN2_sw-0EeHbFo-KLS1E1P38wWxC9qsUWCXrQDHP-LNRF3NjdGB1SYqfjKvhgcQHd6jtbJPVuA-gMmz9oTaM/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20EFFECTS%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinQbXMkwjODD3HVGMt4tSx6jDrbHWWfHB2xsM8d1HOHDvxb5uF2vFwpl0R_YmgqYttVnofHIIr3LMQW0lVW8vuVRSGzK9H9Z8ZBlFZm84DN2_sw-0EeHbFo-KLS1E1P38wWxC9qsUWCXrQDHP-LNRF3NjdGB1SYqfjKvhgcQHd6jtbJPVuA-gMmz9oTaM/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20EFFECTS%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjE8gQoL-2vWu4D033DrLKdyzIuvrzoeq9b9ypdA-kuEzJaibetlW3HjLwcIeToYdN4CjJyd-XDa3_N-KpT8pCZUkgporjzbpzx9jCfHtW9-X0c0NRs9prKf0Jr9Y1Vh6HfyH1j9Sxjq2VhKcs6Dbc99XhfE0fI6OzaJpjMlHZ0vwAk5u_1J1an1X8SsnI/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjE8gQoL-2vWu4D033DrLKdyzIuvrzoeq9b9ypdA-kuEzJaibetlW3HjLwcIeToYdN4CjJyd-XDa3_N-KpT8pCZUkgporjzbpzx9jCfHtW9-X0c0NRs9prKf0Jr9Y1Vh6HfyH1j9Sxjq2VhKcs6Dbc99XhfE0fI6OzaJpjMlHZ0vwAk5u_1J1an1X8SsnI/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdvO6bC5uI_j7c-RZh9a9CEC1HeUKLrNyP03vtBJL6M7yHB3Zwa-A_FiawnYYhwn2UErEZUI1hgxSbv7rM2kXsj-rVetP4q3aoB2d1FhgKL_IwZ9SSlZv_BYSujoGld65UFdrVBBTwxoGdxgRWwsEAXsl_3Vq7_oMcLDniCOjNBibLWybmb5IH-94M5xs/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdvO6bC5uI_j7c-RZh9a9CEC1HeUKLrNyP03vtBJL6M7yHB3Zwa-A_FiawnYYhwn2UErEZUI1hgxSbv7rM2kXsj-rVetP4q3aoB2d1FhgKL_IwZ9SSlZv_BYSujoGld65UFdrVBBTwxoGdxgRWwsEAXsl_3Vq7_oMcLDniCOjNBibLWybmb5IH-94M5xs/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6ghgduqE5H3WxEsCP-fBDkjSFAMg1bPkWTVmIXHXEPksTjP4y8pWBb70Phl7pilirfRGvfNt2W0TDzBxV7WYp_VnZzwPGLPsDdpjV6MDDm1agZiU8XEdE02y6x2ewjXryowQ0UsAA8Vy26AFJuFPFG-bA3mh6eviYwGJXUFGmPDBap0kr8aVvZB7EiO0/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(10)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6ghgduqE5H3WxEsCP-fBDkjSFAMg1bPkWTVmIXHXEPksTjP4y8pWBb70Phl7pilirfRGvfNt2W0TDzBxV7WYp_VnZzwPGLPsDdpjV6MDDm1agZiU8XEdE02y6x2ewjXryowQ0UsAA8Vy26AFJuFPFG-bA3mh6eviYwGJXUFGmPDBap0kr8aVvZB7EiO0/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(10)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxVtt9oB1Z71xhkE4SgPpkvCJ5c8uSkLqq8DePZMVPEiQ3BdzDKOrQw1XlAcoLyViodcUu8HExJ9ALfZJzsn6Pi6w0ASzZiwGkCVg-wbpXeQDjRIrZSNiZuieqgsBrQRTU8MukURshkEeLEiW5pyXviIcYqKyh-EURs5b2H-EZuWGM4u2X764a-eON14Q/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(11)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxVtt9oB1Z71xhkE4SgPpkvCJ5c8uSkLqq8DePZMVPEiQ3BdzDKOrQw1XlAcoLyViodcUu8HExJ9ALfZJzsn6Pi6w0ASzZiwGkCVg-wbpXeQDjRIrZSNiZuieqgsBrQRTU8MukURshkEeLEiW5pyXviIcYqKyh-EURs5b2H-EZuWGM4u2X764a-eON14Q/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(11)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7lCeDLPH7MgEzrpjJnhSMQbfJICKqvd95M61EAhjEDrdmG56MdSFSsVj90J7qO5XTbhFdEpyl9ZhlcXUhVWkZKAEaeIDU_p8EB2IrnPOEFrA1rGU5EyjDrBg1AhLGSIA7gWs2vnYQsu_xwF4eiKeurhq-QWi6_DKJAwWiYhkUHkyTjir1fDKOpZJAEMg/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(13)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7lCeDLPH7MgEzrpjJnhSMQbfJICKqvd95M61EAhjEDrdmG56MdSFSsVj90J7qO5XTbhFdEpyl9ZhlcXUhVWkZKAEaeIDU_p8EB2IrnPOEFrA1rGU5EyjDrBg1AhLGSIA7gWs2vnYQsu_xwF4eiKeurhq-QWi6_DKJAwWiYhkUHkyTjir1fDKOpZJAEMg/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(13)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzbqthEhmVYn-69iO4fWJKCB5QVrhv6Zk87YENnlXrmb0Cknah2jMv6kY5hEqfkX2PyZDtwuk_RccAXY5ev7DOYwKOhsfYIoigsfJHCcoPT9eko-A6Y3bFcGAcqHSUcwWpubXCvgdMciZL_kkinSLLJlvBhN0rkdS70eFw-Kias7ptvNT6sUp9U1LvJqU/s4032/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(14)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzbqthEhmVYn-69iO4fWJKCB5QVrhv6Zk87YENnlXrmb0Cknah2jMv6kY5hEqfkX2PyZDtwuk_RccAXY5ev7DOYwKOhsfYIoigsfJHCcoPT9eko-A6Y3bFcGAcqHSUcwWpubXCvgdMciZL_kkinSLLJlvBhN0rkdS70eFw-Kias7ptvNT6sUp9U1LvJqU/s320/Fragments%20necklace%20gold%20gems%204th%20C%20(14)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Roman necklace fragments with cabochons of emerald, garnet, pearl, and amethyst, 4th century CE, from Libya now in the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Image courtesy of Allen Gluck. Purchased from a private collector in 1977</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The museum's description: "Certain late antique images of well-dressed women depict them wearing a necklace in the shape of a broad collar, as in the early fourth-century mosaics </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;">from Piazza Armerina in Sicily. Surviving examples of such necklaces are exceedingly rare, so these three fragments, probably once part of such a necklace, are precious specimens indeed. In this case, there may have been eighteen or twenty sections, each combining four pierced-work rectangles into a gradually flaring trapezoid. Each section includes a cabochon set first with an emerald at the top, followed by a pearl, another emerald, and finally an oval amethyst. The goldsmith reinforced the trapezoid from behind with gold straps (visible wherever a stone is missing) and then gave the piece depth by attaching it to a lower trapezoid by the use of struts of fine braided wire. The small garnet at the top right corner of the most complete piece is set in a goblet-shaped piece that may have been used to hinge the sections together."</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"I asked Bard (now called Gemini) "How did ancient Roman jewelry design of the 4th century CE differ from Roman jewelry produced in earlier centuries?" </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Roman jewelry design in the 4th century CE did show some distinct differences from earlier centuries, reflecting cultural, political, and economic changes within the empire. Here are some key points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Materials and Techniques:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increased use of gemstones: While Romans always loved gem-encrusted pieces, the 4th century saw a rise in the quantity and variety of gemstones used. This stemmed from increased trade with the East, making stones like emeralds, sapphires, and rubies more accessible.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emphasis on color: Jewelers played with color combinations more, using contrasting stones and colored glass to create vibrant pieces.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">More complex techniques: Granulation (tiny metal beads soldered onto the surface) and millefiori (fused glass rods creating patterned layers) became popular, showcasing sophisticated craftsmanship.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Styles and Motifs:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christian symbolism: With the rise of Christianity as the official religion, Christian symbols like crosses, doves, and fish started appearing in jewelry.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Byzantine influence: As the empire split into Eastern and Western halves, Eastern influence grew stronger in the Western Empire, leading to more intricate and detailed designs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shifting popularity: Certain styles faded and others came into vogue. Cameo pendants, popular in earlier centuries, declined, while snake bracelets and gemstone-studded finger rings gained favor.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Social Implications:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Continued emphasis on status: Jewelry remained a way to display wealth and social standing, but with growing Christian values, moderation and simplicity became more prominent.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gender differences: Styles remained broadly similar across genders, but men started wearing more jewelry, particularly rings and signets.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Important to note:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">These are general trends, and individual pieces could diverge significantly. Regional variations existed within the vast empire.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Jewelry styles evolved gradually, making clear-cut distinctions between centuries challenging."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-25529801429500169172024-02-07T12:15:00.000-08:002024-02-07T12:15:19.989-08:00 Fishing as a symbolic act of capture in Roman mosaics<p><br /></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Today's artwork is a mosaic depicting three erotes collaboratively fishing with a net. It was originally discovered in the House of Menander in Pompeii in front of a fountain. It is now installed in the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. My good friend Allan Gluck photographed the mosaic in situ there but I have also included detail images provided by the museum for closer inspection. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjBkn_TwQQrGPDyxLXH95nkpJ5CDbLdVYtFwWft9qOxpFmOOkcNxu0cXHXY7isAkK0XmNnDgjPeoC3gDlYrs_sgkERyKcqyO9CQrZGBlUM3W_M4NEctm4gi0_UdxIq8R1rAchy1BxHZjogOI5pLBHptVusLjJP9Q5a1tqSJ8h6ZxxtVpVJOWoqTGtWeMc/s4032/Erotes%20Fishing%20Floor%20mosaic%20mosaic%202nd-3rd%20C%20(1).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjBkn_TwQQrGPDyxLXH95nkpJ5CDbLdVYtFwWft9qOxpFmOOkcNxu0cXHXY7isAkK0XmNnDgjPeoC3gDlYrs_sgkERyKcqyO9CQrZGBlUM3W_M4NEctm4gi0_UdxIq8R1rAchy1BxHZjogOI5pLBHptVusLjJP9Q5a1tqSJ8h6ZxxtVpVJOWoqTGtWeMc/w400-h300/Erotes%20Fishing%20Floor%20mosaic%20mosaic%202nd-3rd%20C%20(1).jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Photograph by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhR9D_pbuDssOBod9adlFSPqeQiyyjtSuHPCK_U3b-ynsuJLS3VnzIjIOxpEINjXqtF0rKiUEOYHmZYH-fQbNQPq4towiyv7Md5S9wZtpMAlsSDKPJKuIE4PMuV1XITpPwrd-c9bLmNjp4MDDVpEF3Bw14PX3_6gHnOjOei7UQPliHQN-FKzA-Dkj6sqo0/s4423/BZ.1940.64_D2022.image01.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2948" data-original-width="4423" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhR9D_pbuDssOBod9adlFSPqeQiyyjtSuHPCK_U3b-ynsuJLS3VnzIjIOxpEINjXqtF0rKiUEOYHmZYH-fQbNQPq4towiyv7Md5S9wZtpMAlsSDKPJKuIE4PMuV1XITpPwrd-c9bLmNjp4MDDVpEF3Bw14PX3_6gHnOjOei7UQPliHQN-FKzA-Dkj6sqo0/w400-h266/BZ.1940.64_D2022.image01.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Research photography by Neil Greentree</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKy0rCu83cVvvLrREamvD5IwloQQvLGWR3XcuQMvp416e2voAetq5d9raJh5MrdGXZNuP88ZErRMsGB47Qkv-5L3sMasip8BzfLCFLUu6NBIH5lUP9_7M0oll5Hue-sgMrUFiTgnE4b9y2vVeUuxxs5GCfkgD1wzKOwl3fekR_TB1mlZ5yTIC7uvnz5fA/s1800/BZ.1940.64.S1990.2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="1220" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKy0rCu83cVvvLrREamvD5IwloQQvLGWR3XcuQMvp416e2voAetq5d9raJh5MrdGXZNuP88ZErRMsGB47Qkv-5L3sMasip8BzfLCFLUu6NBIH5lUP9_7M0oll5Hue-sgMrUFiTgnE4b9y2vVeUuxxs5GCfkgD1wzKOwl3fekR_TB1mlZ5yTIC7uvnz5fA/s320/BZ.1940.64.S1990.2.jpg" width="217" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Research photography by Neil Greentree</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0CN6MkiYnSISrbBZ0dmzbhNOsK0XWJrJs6pA5-PobgrlEoe4KIZrvCgdEI8tA0ybzMkCtUT1vz5UvllwYy_z-aeV6dNKTk447x0zrtlvzcmFm2zWVn0dEnUzuaAx2QJLjyZUxM54QuyMCMq3j_qvqcsfSSlM_fsdqorvkeoc9KB2V83dsOYSW37hd7Bk/s1800/BZ.1940.64.S1990.3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="1206" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0CN6MkiYnSISrbBZ0dmzbhNOsK0XWJrJs6pA5-PobgrlEoe4KIZrvCgdEI8tA0ybzMkCtUT1vz5UvllwYy_z-aeV6dNKTk447x0zrtlvzcmFm2zWVn0dEnUzuaAx2QJLjyZUxM54QuyMCMq3j_qvqcsfSSlM_fsdqorvkeoc9KB2V83dsOYSW37hd7Bk/s320/BZ.1940.64.S1990.3.jpg" width="214" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Research photography by Neil Greentree</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRNNEQty7cwkilXnn6Yd2FNTum0WPfKy7QQjiRoQYCIUZrN0Ds_aBj6lpVYP8a-rl3e3tXZfDGL_3BEsq-eT3rgm2IQRRJLfjywnJGIKYbTZtTyxI-s1XJr_ZXJAg8qCo0OpuEJlcGdgcqiAuC3NC4JosYhzXOWRmwpliHZSbIfzBEGEZJ746nkwKVzCk/s1800/BZ.1940.64.S1990.4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="1210" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRNNEQty7cwkilXnn6Yd2FNTum0WPfKy7QQjiRoQYCIUZrN0Ds_aBj6lpVYP8a-rl3e3tXZfDGL_3BEsq-eT3rgm2IQRRJLfjywnJGIKYbTZtTyxI-s1XJr_ZXJAg8qCo0OpuEJlcGdgcqiAuC3NC4JosYhzXOWRmwpliHZSbIfzBEGEZJ746nkwKVzCk/s320/BZ.1940.64.S1990.4.jpg" width="215" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Research photography by Neil Greentree</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKs4x5DiYh_OYny5KSOC2XPG8fkW5wg17_1ZuoNtSKaaKn7THtvZBT8DZgySoB9FMcbOskSD8FGGPykn3ShJC4C20hhSBxJxO8i6Hnv9c92ozXtQy8-Wzb7WeM5NSlveozQTFjKaEFAs3hHuWZV8obKaDlUna-mge_xbKFGTWNTQcvOFtyTiRAk-Lql4w/s2657/BZ.1940.64.S1990.5.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="2657" height="271" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKs4x5DiYh_OYny5KSOC2XPG8fkW5wg17_1ZuoNtSKaaKn7THtvZBT8DZgySoB9FMcbOskSD8FGGPykn3ShJC4C20hhSBxJxO8i6Hnv9c92ozXtQy8-Wzb7WeM5NSlveozQTFjKaEFAs3hHuWZV8obKaDlUna-mge_xbKFGTWNTQcvOFtyTiRAk-Lql4w/w400-h271/BZ.1940.64.S1990.5.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roman floor mosaic depicting erotes fishing (symbolically for love?) found in the House of Menander in Pompeii, now on display at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. Research photography by Neil Greentree</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard about possible </span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="font-family: inherit;">symbolism of the imagery and found its answers quite interesting:</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"There isn't a single, definitive meaning tied to the portrayal of Erotes fishing in ancient Rome. However, based on the context and the nature of Erotes themselves, we can consider multiple possible interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Love as Capture:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Fishing is an act of capture, and Erotes, companions of the god of love, could be seen as metaphorically "fishing" for hearts or capturing love interests. This aligns with their playful and mischievous nature, using their charms to ensnare unsuspecting individuals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Love as a Game:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Fishing can be seen as a recreational activity and a game of skill. By depicting Erotes fishing, the Romans might be suggesting that love, while powerful, is also playful and involves a kind of strategic "game" where both parties participate.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Unexpectedness of Love:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Just like fish are unpredictable and surprise the angler, love can also strike unexpectedly and catch individuals off guard. This resonates with the unpredictable and impulsive nature of love associated with Erotes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Abundance of Love:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">A bountiful catch often symbolizes abundance and prosperity. By showing Erotes with a full net or basket of fish, the Romans could be expressing the idea that love is plentiful and readily available to those who seek it.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Specific Target of Love:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sometimes, depictions of Erotes fishing might show them targeting specific types of fish. In these cases, the type of fish could carry symbolic meaning related to the desired type of love or the intended object of affection.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that these are just possible interpretations, and the specific meaning might vary depending on the individual artwork, and its context.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard then asked me for more information to expand on the work's interpretation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"What kind of fish is Erotes catching? Different types of fish carry different symbolic meanings in Roman culture. For example, dolphins were associated with love and pleasure, while tuna symbolized strength and fertility.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"What tools and techniques is Erotes using? Is he using a net, a spear, or a line? Each method might suggest different aspects of love, like seduction, conquest, or patience.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Is Erotes alone, or are there other figures present? If there are other figures, their identities and interactions with Erotes could offer clues about the target and meaning of his "fishing."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Where is the mosaic located within the House of Menander? Its placement might inform its intended message and audience."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I then told Bard the species of fish depicted include mullet, dolphin shrimp, and cuttlefish. Bard replied:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The inclusion of specific fish species adds another exciting layer to interpreting the symbolism in the mosaic! Here's how the different fish might contribute to the overall meaning:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mullet:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In Roman culture, mullet was often associated with luxury, indulgence, and even Aphrodite, the goddess of love. Its presence could symbolize the pleasurable and desirable aspects of love, or the idea that love can lead to a life of abundance and enjoyment.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dolphin:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dolphins were highly symbolic in Roman culture, representing joy, love, playfulness, and even protection. Its inclusion could emphasize the joyful and playful nature of love, or suggest that love offers safety and security.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shrimp:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While less common in symbolic interpretations, shrimp could represent abundance, fertility, or even hidden desires due to their association with the sea and their small, numerous nature. It might add a layer of complexity to the portrayal of love, suggesting its unexpectedness or hidden depths.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cuttlefish:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cuttlefish were known for their ability to change color and camouflage themselves. In the context of love, this could symbolize the transformative power of love, the ability to adapt and change, or even the deceptive nature of love.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Considering Together:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The combination of these fish species paints a multifaceted picture of love. It encompasses pleasure, joy, abundance, transformation, and potentially even hidden desires or complexities."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I also explained three erotes were using a net and it offered additional possible meanings:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Number Three:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In Roman and Greek mythology, the number three often held symbolic significance. It could represent completion, harmony, or divine intervention. Three Erotes working together might emphasize the power and inevitability of love, or suggest different aspects of love working in concert.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Collaboration in Love:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Unlike the solitary hunter image often associated with love, the depiction of three Erotes collaborating could suggest that love involves teamwork, cooperation, and potentially even competition. Perhaps they represent different stages of love working together to capture hearts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Targeted Effort:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While a single Erotes might cast a wide net, three working together could target a specific individual or group, suggesting a more focused and strategic approach to capturing love. Analyzing the surrounding context might reveal who or what their target might be.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Division of Roles:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's interesting to consider if the three Erotes have individual roles in the fishing process. Does one hold the net, another lure the fish, and the third capture them? Such divisions could symbolize different aspects of love working together, like attraction, persuasion, and commitment.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Net as Metaphor:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The net can represent various aspects of love in this context. It could symbolize the entanglement of falling in love, the trapping of hearts, or the capture of desired individuals.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The net might also imply a collective effort or strategic approach to capturing love, as opposed to individual pursuit.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shared Effort:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Three Erotes using a net together emphasize the collaborative nature of love. It suggests that love often involves multiple forces working in concert, like attraction, persuasion, and opportunity.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">This portrayal could also imply the abundance of love and its inevitability. With three figures and a net, they seem well-equipped to capture many hearts."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I then pointed out that one erote is in a boat while the other two are standing on land. Bard replied with:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"That's another interesting detail that adds to the symbolism of the mosaic! Here are some potential interpretations based on the different positions of the Erotes:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Division of Roles:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Erote in the boat could represent the active pursuit of love, venturing out and taking initiative. The two on land might symbolize the attraction and receptivity that draw love in, creating a space for it to flourish.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternatively, the Erotes on land could represent the preparation and foundation necessary for love, while the one in the boat embodies the culmination or expression of love.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Stages of Love:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The positions could depict different stages of love - the initial spark (Erotes on land), the pursuit and commitment (Erote in the boat), and finally, the shared experience and enjoyment (all Erotes together).</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Social Context:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Perhaps the Erote in the boat represents a specific individual actively seeking love, while the two on land symbolize the broader societal context or potential partners waiting to be discovered."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lastly, I pointed out that the mosaic was found in front of a fountain in a courtyard of the House of Menander in Pompeii.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard explained how even the position of the mosaic possibly carries further meaning:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The placement of the mosaic in front of a fountain adds another intriguing layer to interpreting its meaning! Fountains in Roman culture often held symbolic significance, associated with:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Love and desire: Water itself was often seen as a symbol of love and desire, and fountains provided a source of life and refreshment. This connection strengthens the overall theme of love depicted in the mosaic.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Fertility and abundance: Flowing water symbolized fertility and abundance, aligning with the potential interpretations of the fish species and the collaborative effort of the Erotes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Purification and renewal: Fountains were sometimes used for ritualistic cleansing, suggesting that love could represent a transformative or purifying experience.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gathering place and social interaction: Fountains were often central gathering places, and the mosaic's location might imply that love thrives in social settings and communities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Considering these symbolic associations, here are some possible interpretations of how the fountain placement impacts the meaning of the mosaic:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Love as a source of life and desire: The Erotes fishing near the fountain emphasizes the life-giving and desirable nature of love, drawing parallels between water and love's power to sustain and refresh.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Love as a promise of abundance and fertility: The fish species and the collaborative effort gain further meaning in the context of the fountain, symbolizing the potential for love to bring forth abundance and growth.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Love as a transformative experience: The fountain's association with purification adds another dimension to the portrayal of love, suggesting that love can bring about positive change and renewal.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Love as a social phenomenon: The location of the mosaic encourages viewers to consider love within the context of social interaction and community, highlighting its role in bringing people together."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-40821818432812860712024-02-07T06:54:00.000-08:002024-02-11T15:31:57.261-08:00The precarious existence of Constantine I's family members<p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">These Roman treasures, solid gold medallions dated between 370-390 CE (I'm a little dubious about the dating as both of these sons of Constantine were already dead and had been subjected to damnatio memoriae before those dates), from the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. photographed by my good friend, Allan Gluck represent the precarious existence of members of Constantine I's family. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixPIHfsbGa_INWiUKOt16N5LHPzvjfVCLC7StpoMcWyk0xkGSBKc7r0CrrgOMiILNFHygDCaEYtJyB6gdy4YiHFISTS7CNeUUylE_lJzKpVe9xnkoTC5e75Vr2B75TCX1Xnpw2G6r8FNmFogDNY53TR6Q28X4xrRLgcBAn-MMouCIngpBI_2eFwTajLnk/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(1)%20ACR.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixPIHfsbGa_INWiUKOt16N5LHPzvjfVCLC7StpoMcWyk0xkGSBKc7r0CrrgOMiILNFHygDCaEYtJyB6gdy4YiHFISTS7CNeUUylE_lJzKpVe9xnkoTC5e75Vr2B75TCX1Xnpw2G6r8FNmFogDNY53TR6Q28X4xrRLgcBAn-MMouCIngpBI_2eFwTajLnk/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(1)%20ACR.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjAtjWS5B5kQFi1AJcKbplbcKHgQEvFGPkeYsKzvTCIZ3xP0SxqRE7s7CNYXOdbX4DcJcWB_8NpbEtfutQwtkKZFS3OyarIKV6k9gBbKeXmfaZHcdnDlaWZ-oYvJFOckX0lZU3WrPz5ZNHPMNDYzyXtimalLQ40ajfsODW8oPqDbdHNwK961bz9BmBUAGE/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(3)%20ACR.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjAtjWS5B5kQFi1AJcKbplbcKHgQEvFGPkeYsKzvTCIZ3xP0SxqRE7s7CNYXOdbX4DcJcWB_8NpbEtfutQwtkKZFS3OyarIKV6k9gBbKeXmfaZHcdnDlaWZ-oYvJFOckX0lZU3WrPz5ZNHPMNDYzyXtimalLQ40ajfsODW8oPqDbdHNwK961bz9BmBUAGE/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(3)%20ACR.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihz-QAeFKATau2CvGiSG0MQt5L4aP_fXoe-XFCATCyLq5MRC7kEvQlZIYOsgI0hYjWwQvEWy08xoFB4pO73w7ZThHyG9sz7kza9-CYISJE8weQP1Guy9XmR9_vXjuC5qGvYXgO152zG1alnFoe42KhXFzKcEVrCrGlEhbmjvzkYJg-zV1xPEojd65z15w/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihz-QAeFKATau2CvGiSG0MQt5L4aP_fXoe-XFCATCyLq5MRC7kEvQlZIYOsgI0hYjWwQvEWy08xoFB4pO73w7ZThHyG9sz7kza9-CYISJE8weQP1Guy9XmR9_vXjuC5qGvYXgO152zG1alnFoe42KhXFzKcEVrCrGlEhbmjvzkYJg-zV1xPEojd65z15w/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIdMAlXSXXWjBfO-dLNkzf3dE7JUnqS0s3CvsxjoYqzBZJUx65LulMjvwRrzLFyVAH3szXTXZS1OHZyl_8ZJJeZDa31pCCrJvJf71tiHvTv7VVxn1sjqScfv9HnYP_S6p1oEiUF-ux3WI7xmXAhvNB92vCcLBPaPemb_NlUA2aQJ37GFcNAxJkOr0hcSI/s3946/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3946" data-original-width="2959" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIdMAlXSXXWjBfO-dLNkzf3dE7JUnqS0s3CvsxjoYqzBZJUx65LulMjvwRrzLFyVAH3szXTXZS1OHZyl_8ZJJeZDa31pCCrJvJf71tiHvTv7VVxn1sjqScfv9HnYP_S6p1oEiUF-ux3WI7xmXAhvNB92vCcLBPaPemb_NlUA2aQJ37GFcNAxJkOr0hcSI/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOK2gvZKrdq7mvUk5bICI-TWnmLqOCPFRZPMq1-oVOGI0r9FwRVSEBZ_r1qcYT72GK5dcDmOlYlr14jyi88tVhHUHzwE9j6xF9XNDwVRYIw_eCy7YV1Z94MwG4Dn5CqxE1QNyxt0N2T3fQETpGy-rfjC5m2Qv00NKvod34-vrFtwemqAU35gNREG-31lY/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(7)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOK2gvZKrdq7mvUk5bICI-TWnmLqOCPFRZPMq1-oVOGI0r9FwRVSEBZ_r1qcYT72GK5dcDmOlYlr14jyi88tVhHUHzwE9j6xF9XNDwVRYIw_eCy7YV1Z94MwG4Dn5CqxE1QNyxt0N2T3fQETpGy-rfjC5m2Qv00NKvod34-vrFtwemqAU35gNREG-31lY/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(7)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIxg37AENl5tYVlq8r36qoIolxpWTZZbXyrle4Imrb7RLpUh9HVx4UTzVCxdFH4uKr1u3UutlEmgib9IPoNyFdEnbQUldA2MOBVv_OSppyR3O2xgJIUKElgOXfzlOyfjJWBJhFcXTSs-jKLXlzuduNKahzziCWtqQSRyP5vK3BdUWfssfp_zttGacv4aE/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(8)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIxg37AENl5tYVlq8r36qoIolxpWTZZbXyrle4Imrb7RLpUh9HVx4UTzVCxdFH4uKr1u3UutlEmgib9IPoNyFdEnbQUldA2MOBVv_OSppyR3O2xgJIUKElgOXfzlOyfjJWBJhFcXTSs-jKLXlzuduNKahzziCWtqQSRyP5vK3BdUWfssfp_zttGacv4aE/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(8)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2Aq1T03Ys9sL571KcW4b5YWERJi3CNGC9D_5_ZWHhbrTQDyFcLNexXoQjyznSvWf_8Chp0Sd0vUMI3WUmNL31hhGzCELZuiGVKGvn3MSvUchom7kl2veRD7U0-vVy6ty1GzXYjtchhP-N1MpcbNU_cHsRT4XZWVixx69t0b_D_nqsB-DulHUKX_alu-o/s4032/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2Aq1T03Ys9sL571KcW4b5YWERJi3CNGC9D_5_ZWHhbrTQDyFcLNexXoQjyznSvWf_8Chp0Sd0vUMI3WUmNL31hhGzCELZuiGVKGvn3MSvUchom7kl2veRD7U0-vVy6ty1GzXYjtchhP-N1MpcbNU_cHsRT4XZWVixx69t0b_D_nqsB-DulHUKX_alu-o/s320/Constantine%201%20Circular%20Pendant%20Gold%20370-390%20D%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvwsGoTV4pJtYucpuVv7t91ixlfEiRPVMHod6aXFaCyXyN4_vdbJUBHJRvTsxURsp5-oH3U-h_e7k_WNWU6F536OQjkBoz5wRLyc1guZ7iMU3AZsXjDWv0UWdLA3Y3F6q6B_r9yR6aVp5M3O5wATASkJTe3xJE0sT57ZyXD-_0_76uRwawiZoHMoEefuE/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(16)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvwsGoTV4pJtYucpuVv7t91ixlfEiRPVMHod6aXFaCyXyN4_vdbJUBHJRvTsxURsp5-oH3U-h_e7k_WNWU6F536OQjkBoz5wRLyc1guZ7iMU3AZsXjDWv0UWdLA3Y3F6q6B_r9yR6aVp5M3O5wATASkJTe3xJE0sT57ZyXD-_0_76uRwawiZoHMoEefuE/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(16)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcjCAPM8kKOYoVlsp1ImbWglfKOoL2PtQ7W-v6sn4a9CkyzGl6rT-r7ZkvesDnrgBWO9RbgV5a4U3NbqSPKRme4ESE2d7iN6oMdbMsNmIUER-T98pWGC7GcZtvb12LWGA89kAiJqWW76A0YyFw1R82dSmuJl7BQkpXLwmOIx-lw9gP2ovHiGjsTvn4BAI/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(17)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcjCAPM8kKOYoVlsp1ImbWglfKOoL2PtQ7W-v6sn4a9CkyzGl6rT-r7ZkvesDnrgBWO9RbgV5a4U3NbqSPKRme4ESE2d7iN6oMdbMsNmIUER-T98pWGC7GcZtvb12LWGA89kAiJqWW76A0YyFw1R82dSmuJl7BQkpXLwmOIx-lw9gP2ovHiGjsTvn4BAI/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(17)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBzlzVdSiu_7dDrHBzy5c-thb88qvKRkkCd0fItidnnhJwmgJM9Njzy-VybCigkt8zPIZRUm9SqPpNqn14hmQj15idgZqGC9O_Vj7Y88pGIdUSW60PPLnSpOwkQJmOZGKM7aTi07ZN-1mbaucc-LXnbY1gyvFvH0_plwOv70ufRZ95hms5eKaSfrO5458/s3796/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(18)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3796" data-original-width="2847" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBzlzVdSiu_7dDrHBzy5c-thb88qvKRkkCd0fItidnnhJwmgJM9Njzy-VybCigkt8zPIZRUm9SqPpNqn14hmQj15idgZqGC9O_Vj7Y88pGIdUSW60PPLnSpOwkQJmOZGKM7aTi07ZN-1mbaucc-LXnbY1gyvFvH0_plwOv70ufRZ95hms5eKaSfrO5458/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(18)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiX0WEKFLwjYSH9vRTvH7WFnRVbZxHWeWT1YcopFHWcKH1cu1W8xGTSmzQoNcvfeheh7J8uWjz9iOjp9-LDbcc9Nbz865V5cmqN96T5zIvacP-dPf9iXAcB0rSv1LYzMMYPcB9GM8S2PqysPJ3ShiKJLMq0iJjfGcpG3xOLgnaJ0W3ldBI3ARvpI7hXpfQ/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(19)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiX0WEKFLwjYSH9vRTvH7WFnRVbZxHWeWT1YcopFHWcKH1cu1W8xGTSmzQoNcvfeheh7J8uWjz9iOjp9-LDbcc9Nbz865V5cmqN96T5zIvacP-dPf9iXAcB0rSv1LYzMMYPcB9GM8S2PqysPJ3ShiKJLMq0iJjfGcpG3xOLgnaJ0W3ldBI3ARvpI7hXpfQ/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(19)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOCvWBbhYB6WUo2oN_qX53evqmeFZLrD6qtaQOnMKPUEF41aDj_yRI6kWpmgRwU9Ui0-J9shj3UqE2UB2fn2ILawkrpbvl46sG_9oGC2c72iob8k94JP-XDxUV5j85-pxogHtjexjhuLrHvRclTUnRB_bxhS7DyPJn98MU49nUei-bf5dUz_otLufPB8s/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(22)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOCvWBbhYB6WUo2oN_qX53evqmeFZLrD6qtaQOnMKPUEF41aDj_yRI6kWpmgRwU9Ui0-J9shj3UqE2UB2fn2ILawkrpbvl46sG_9oGC2c72iob8k94JP-XDxUV5j85-pxogHtjexjhuLrHvRclTUnRB_bxhS7DyPJn98MU49nUei-bf5dUz_otLufPB8s/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(22)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq8K_Fi6B9ZrFgfsqFav-xpQoULZEqQF7zxGfPnL1MKEMW3ch9MFDz9ApshV5caTSIhCeuAZtfXaRBgiMpdnnx24vHlG5iD_yiZyh0N5_7TvNmks9H5YlYo-4yD-cANWQgboYqNxdYqiZGW1vOLDzW7kbRi_-elKIF6_PxwdB3jt9x8iT6KX_9pQX5eZk/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(23)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq8K_Fi6B9ZrFgfsqFav-xpQoULZEqQF7zxGfPnL1MKEMW3ch9MFDz9ApshV5caTSIhCeuAZtfXaRBgiMpdnnx24vHlG5iD_yiZyh0N5_7TvNmks9H5YlYo-4yD-cANWQgboYqNxdYqiZGW1vOLDzW7kbRi_-elKIF6_PxwdB3jt9x8iT6KX_9pQX5eZk/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(23)%20ACR%20ON1%20BRL%20AI.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH5fizD10WLzGZAhfp4VopjhIB5d1-FU5MXQkZ9Kxk_VWkUoJnI1dZVlb9HVkxPK3C_93TVVyqv6nhB4F4xxw7bUBl5SG4m6M6p_U4zGaT6uucXtDJcht720D7mb8Jw6dGv1ImRAyDzjeWCCEB2gE-wvvQvof760F9x-I1_PKsJzMhxOECcK8wxG8Ydc0/s4032/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(27)%20ACR.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH5fizD10WLzGZAhfp4VopjhIB5d1-FU5MXQkZ9Kxk_VWkUoJnI1dZVlb9HVkxPK3C_93TVVyqv6nhB4F4xxw7bUBl5SG4m6M6p_U4zGaT6uucXtDJcht720D7mb8Jw6dGv1ImRAyDzjeWCCEB2gE-wvvQvof760F9x-I1_PKsJzMhxOECcK8wxG8Ydc0/s320/Constantine%201%20Hexagonal%20Pendant%20Gold%204th%20C%20(27)%20ACR.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold medallions celebrating the consulships of Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II dated from 370-390 CE photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><p></p><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The museum's curator observes: The consummate skill used to create these pendants place them among the most highly accomplished examples of gold jewelry from the early Byzantine period. The elaborate frames around the imperial medallions combines two techniques: chisel cutting of sheet </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">gold masterfully worked to create lacelike tendrils, scrolls, and geometric designs; and hollow, three-dimensional heads formed by working the gold from both the interior and the exterior. The contrast of flat, silhouette patterns and heads in the round produces a dynamic counterpoint rarely seen in jewelry of this period.</span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The medallions show the emperor Constantine wearing a crown of rays—an attribute of Apollo—while his sons Crispus and Constantine II are in consular robes on the reverse, co-celebrating their third consulate in 324 on the round pendant while the similarly designed, although hexagonal, pendant celebrates the second consulate in 321 of these same imperial sons. In mint condition, these medallions were never put into circulation; they were framed so that both sides are visible, allowing all the imperial portraits to be seen. Despite their different shapes, the shared techniques, style, and decorative schemes confirm that these pendants were made as part of a set. Three additional pendants belong to this set judged by medallion type, techniques, designs, and superb execution: a circular pendant (Musée du Louvre, Paris); a hexagonal pendant (British Museum, London); and a slightly larger octagonal pendant (Cleveland Museum of Art).</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The curator speculates these pendants may have been an award from an emperor to an outstanding general or high ranking official, although their exact function is not certain. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">These pieces were purchased from a Christie's auction in 1970.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sadly, both of these sons suffered tragic fates. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Crispus, Constantine's eldest son, was initially seen as the heir apparent. He showed military prowess and held high positions within the Empire.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, in 326, at the age of 28, Crispus was executed on Constantine's orders. The exact reason remains unclear, with various theories including:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">False accusations: One theory suggests his stepmother, Fausta, falsely accused him of adultery to eliminate him as a rival for her own sons.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Palace intrigue: Others propose political conspiracies or power struggles within the family played a role.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dynastic concerns: Some historians believe Constantine saw Crispus as a threat to his rule and took a ruthless step to secure his lineage.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regardless of the reason, the execution was swift and brutal, followed by an act of "damnatio memoriae," erasing Crispus's name and achievements from official records.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Constantine II, born to Constantine and Fausta, was much younger than Crispus. He received titles and positions throughout his childhood, suggesting favor from his father.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Following Crispus's death, Constantine II gained further prominence, becoming Caesar and later co-emperor alongside his brothers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, Constantine II complained that he had not received the amount of territory that was his due as the eldest son. Annoyed that Constans had received Thrace and Macedonia after the death of Dalmatius (murdered in the purge of Constantine I's male relatives after his death), Constantine II demanded that Constans hand over the African provinces, to which he agreed in order to maintain a fragile peace. Soon, however, they began quarreling over which parts of the African provinces belonged to Carthage, and thus Constantine, and which belonged to Italy, and therefore Constans. Even after campaigning against the Alamanni in 338, Constantine II continued to maintain his position. The Codex Theodosianus recorded Constantine’s legislative intervention in Constans’ territory through issuing an edict to the proconsul of Africa in 339.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In 340 Constantine II marched into Italy at the head of his troops to claim territory from Constans. Constans, at that time in Naissus, detached and sent a select and disciplined body of his Illyrian troops, stating that he would follow them in person with the remainder of his forces. Constantine II was then killed by Constans's generals in an ambush outside Aquileia. Constans then took control of his deceased brother's realm and his brother, like Crispus before him was subjected to damnatio memoriae."
Update 2/11/2024: The museum estimates the pendants have been produced between 370 and 390 CE, decades after both men were subjected to damnatio memoriae. I asked ChatGPT about it (I have Gemini working on an extensive conversation about Ptolemaic relations with southern India at the moment) pointing out that such pieces would have been commissioned by wealthy clients who would have been well aware of possible political ramifications of displaying such works. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The specific context that these gold pendants celebrated Crispus and Constantine II, both of whom faced tragic fates, adds an additional layer of complexity to their production. Given this information, a few specific considerations may help explain why such pendants were created for wealthy clients aware of the political consequences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Selective Memory: The damnatio memoriae imposed on Crispus and Constantine II may not have been uniformly accepted or adhered to by all individuals, even within the ruling class. Some wealthy clients might have chosen to selectively remember and celebrate the achievements of these individuals, focusing on their campaigns in Africa and downplaying or ignoring the subsequent events leading to their deaths.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Dynastic Loyalty: The clients who commissioned these pendants might have had personal or familial ties to Crispus or Constantine II. Loyalty to a particular branch of the imperial family could override political considerations, leading individuals to commemorate these figures despite their controversial fates.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Political Complexity: The political landscape during the era of Constantine I and his sons was marked by power struggles and conflicts within the imperial family. Wealthy clients might have supported different factions or individuals within the family, contributing to the diverse responses and commemorations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Symbolic Resilience: The production of these pendants could signify a symbolic resilience against the tragedies that befell Crispus and Constantine II. The act of commissioning such items may have been a way for wealthy clients to express their belief in the positive aspects of these rulers' legacies, particularly their campaigns in Africa.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Cultural and Artistic Value: Beyond political considerations, the cultural and artistic value of these pendants might have played a significant role. Wealthy patrons could have seen them as unique and aesthetically valuable pieces, and their historical significance may have been secondary to their artistic appeal.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"In summary, the production of gold pendants celebrating Crispus and Constantine II in the face of damnatio memoriae suggests a nuanced interplay of political, familial, and cultural factors among the wealthy patrons involved. The complexities of the historical context likely contributed to varying responses and commemorations of these individuals despite the controversial circumstances surrounding their lives and deaths." - ChatGPT</div></div></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-24790405937969649762024-02-05T10:12:00.000-08:002024-02-05T10:12:04.195-08:00 Basternas and litters: The evolution of transportation in ancient Rome<p><br /></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I had never heard of basternas - a litter-like mode of transportation carried by two mules instead of slaves - before reading this article:
<a href="https://english.elpais.com/lifestyle/2024-02-04/the-cars-of-roman-antiquity-single-two-person-and-even-primitive-motorhomes.html">https://english.elpais.com/lifestyle/2024-02-04/the-cars-of-roman-antiquity-single-two-person-and-even-primitive-motorhomes.html</a></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdqt8DMSIidPeCeLPYUyEWXdnPKhanKAsijNdAuEzZAlEDSD3nZLughRrMsCXwPolQqup9T3gIdfdJjyIK9Oyzwl__2PvZtGQgKg7Jf3GnjXJgXnCu2yIFB1Xsr-jBLJp0CiTdLPd_bR0dFcWf0ub0HSJZEFFbXH6gi5M1HFGy4FbfHr2t6e6nvNy0me4/s1200/Roman%20transportation.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="707" data-original-width="1200" height="236" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdqt8DMSIidPeCeLPYUyEWXdnPKhanKAsijNdAuEzZAlEDSD3nZLughRrMsCXwPolQqup9T3gIdfdJjyIK9Oyzwl__2PvZtGQgKg7Jf3GnjXJgXnCu2yIFB1Xsr-jBLJp0CiTdLPd_bR0dFcWf0ub0HSJZEFFbXH6gi5M1HFGy4FbfHr2t6e6nvNy0me4/w400-h236/Roman%20transportation.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ancient Roman transportation courtesy of El Pais.com</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><span style="font-family: inherit;">According to Bard, basternas were mentioned in the historical record from the 1st century BCE to the 5th century CE. For some reason they were no longer referenced after the fall of the western Roman Empire. I asked why and Bard suggested they were </span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="font-family: inherit;">probably replaced by simpler horse-drawn carts. This distinctive time period piqued my interest so I attempted to delve deeper into this phenomenon.</span>
</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: During which time period were basternas in common use in the Roman Empire? </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While there isn't a precise date range pinpointing the exact start and end of basterna use in the Roman Empire, we can estimate a general timeframe based on available evidence:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Start:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Basterna descriptions appear in literary sources from the 1st century BCE.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Some scholars link the origin to the Punic Wars (264-146 BCE), referencing potential Carthaginian influences.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">End:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Basterna mentions continue throughout the Roman Empire, including references in the 4th century CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, their popularity likely declined with the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">**Therefore, the common use of basternas spanned roughly 500 years, from the 1st century BCE to the 5th century CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that this timeframe represents a general consensus based on existing evidence. The actual prevalence and usage patterns of basternas might have varied across different regions and social classes within the vast Roman Empire.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: What type of vehicle replaced basternas after the fall of the western Roman Empire?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Unfortunately, pinpointing a single "replacement" for basternas after the Western Roman Empire's fall is difficult due to several factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Diverse Landscape: The vastness and diverse regions of the former empire saw various cultural and technological advancements, leading to different solutions for transportation needs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evolution, not Replacement: Transitions in transportation often involve gradual evolution rather than complete replacements. Existing vehicles might have adapted, and new designs emerged alongside.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited Sources: Historical records from this period, especially specific details about everyday life and transportation, are less comprehensive compared to earlier eras.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, considering the information available, here are some possibilities for what might have filled the transportation roles previously served by basternas:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Carts and Wagons: These simpler, horse-drawn vehicles remained prevalent for centuries, offering practicality and affordability for carrying goods and people. Different regional variations and specializations likely existed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Carriages: While likely less common than carts, more luxurious carriages continued to be used by elites and for special occasions. They offered a smoother ride and more enclosed space.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Litiers: Though primarily for the wealthy, litters persisted in some regions, providing a comfortable, covered means of transport for individuals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emerging Designs: New horse-drawn carriage designs might have appeared in different regions, influenced by local traditions and innovations. However, specific details about these are scarce.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that this isn't an exhaustive list, and the actual picture likely involved a combination of these possibilities and potentially unrecorded regional variations. The lack of a single, clear-cut replacement highlights the complex and diverse transportation landscape that emerged after the Western Roman Empire's fall.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: How long were slave-carried litters in use in the Roman Empire?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Unfortunately, pinpointing the exact time period for slave-carried litters in the Roman Empire isn't possible due to various factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited records: Detailed documentation of everyday life, especially for enslaved individuals, isn't abundant for this period.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Varied usage: The use of litters likely differed across social classes, regions, and time periods within the vast empire.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, based on available evidence, we can estimate a general timeframe:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Start:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Litters appear in literary sources from the 1st century BCE.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Early mentions might describe litters carried by animals or wheeled versions, not necessarily slaves.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">End:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">References to slave-carried litters continue throughout the Roman Empire, including the 4th century CE.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, their popularity likely declined along with slavery's prevalence, particularly after the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">**Therefore, a rough estimate suggests slave-carried litters were utilized for roughly 500 years, from the 1st century BCE to the 5th century CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's crucial to remember that this is a broad timeframe, and the actual use of slave-carried litters might have varied significantly depending on the factors mentioned earlier. Additionally, the ethical implications of this practice are deeply concerning and should be acknowledged when discussing its historical presence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: Was the decline in both litters ad basternas coincide with a repeal in the regulations prohibiting wheeled transport during daylight hours in ancient Rome?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Unfortunately, there isn't a clear connection between the decline of litters and basternas and the repeal of regulations prohibiting wheeled transport during daylight hours in ancient Rome. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regulations on Wheeled Transport:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While some sources mention restrictions on wheeled vehicles within Rome's city limits during the day, the exact details and timeline remain unclear.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The reasoning behind these limitations is also debated, with theories ranging from traffic control to protecting pedestrians and sacred spaces.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evidence suggests these regulations might have been relaxed or even lifted at some points in Roman history, and their enforcement likely varied depending on context.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Decline of Litters and Basternas:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">As mentioned previously, the decline of litters and basternas likely happened gradually over centuries, influenced by various factors like:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Changing societal preferences and transportation needs.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The decline of the Roman Empire and its infrastructure.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The rise of alternative vehicles like carts and carriages.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the regulations on wheeled transport might have played a minor role in specific situations, they weren't likely the primary driver of the overall decline in litters and basternas.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, it's more accurate to say that the decline of litters and basternas coincided with broader historical trends and technological advancements, not a specific repeal of regulations on wheeled transport.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: When did regulations prohibiting wheeled transport during daylight hours go into effect in ancient Rome?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Unfortunately, pinning down an exact date for the implementation of regulations prohibiting wheeled transport during daylight hours in ancient Rome is quite difficult due to several reasons:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited and Conflicting Sources: Our knowledge of everyday life in ancient Rome, especially concerning regulations, often comes from fragmentary sources like literary works, legal documents, and archaeological remains. These sources can be incomplete, biased, and even contradictory.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evolving Regulations: It's likely that restrictions on wheeled transport weren't implemented at a single point in time but evolved over centuries, potentially varying across different city areas and periods.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Unclear Enforcement: The details and extent of enforcement for these regulations remain unclear. They might have been selectively applied depending on context or social class.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Despite these challenges, here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Origins: Some sources suggest regulations limiting wheeled traffic during the day existed as early as the 2nd century BC. The reasoning remains debatable, with theories ranging from controlling noise and congestion to protecting sacred spaces and pedestrian movement.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Caesar's Reforms: Julius Caesar (49-44 BC) reportedly implemented stricter regulations, potentially prohibiting chariots and carts within the city walls during daylight hours.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Later Developments: Regulations and their enforcement likely evolved after Caesar's reign, with evidence suggesting some relaxation or situational application.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while a definitive date for the initial regulations is impossible, they likely emerged between the 2nd century BC and 1st century BC, evolving and adapting over centuries before potentially declining after the Western Roman Empire's fall.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: Did regulations prohibiting wheeled transport within the city boundaries during daylight hours exist in other cities like Pompeii?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While restrictions on wheeled transport existed in ancient Rome, evidence for similar regulations specifically prohibiting such movement during daylight hours in Pompeii remains unclear. Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rome:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">As discussed previously, historical records suggest potential regulations limiting wheeled vehicles within Rome's city limits during the day, but the exact details and timeline remain debated.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Pompeii:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Unfortunately, we don't have a comprehensive collection of legal documents or administrative records directly mentioning such regulations in Pompeii. Most of our knowledge of the city comes from archaeological finds and literary sources, which don't provide conclusive evidence about specific traffic regulations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Narrow streets: Pompeii's layout, with its narrow streets, might have naturally discouraged extensive chariot or cart use within the city, potentially reducing the need for specific daylight restrictions.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternatives:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While definitive proof of daytime bans on wheeled transport in Pompeii is lacking, there might have been:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Informal restrictions: Unwritten customs or social norms limiting carriage use during busy hours.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Specific areas with restrictions: Certain religious zones or marketplaces might have prohibited carts for safety or ceremonial reasons.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Restrictions based on social class: Privileged individuals using litters or palanquins might have faced fewer limitations compared to commoners using carts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while we can't definitively confirm or deny the existence of daylight-specific regulations in Pompeii, the evidence suggests limitations on wheeled transport likely existed in some form, influenced by the city's layout, social norms, and potential situational or class-based restrictions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: (Thinking about the physical nature of Roman city streets I asked if the large stepping stones in Pompeii's streets prevented wheeled traffic in certain neighborhoods.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While the large stepping stones found in Pompeii's streets, known as pedestrian crossings, certainly did impact traffic flow, it's not entirely accurate to say they prevented wheeled traffic in certain neighborhoods. Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Function of Stepping Stones:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The primary purpose of these raised stones was to allow pedestrians to safely cross busy streets without stepping directly into the mud, water, or animal waste that often accumulated on the road surface.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">They weren't intended as complete barriers to wheeled traffic, as evidenced by:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Wheel ruts: Carts and chariots clearly left their mark on the streets of Pompeii, even near stepping stones.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Strategic placement: Stepping stones were often positioned slightly off-center, leaving space for carts to pass through.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Impact on Traffic:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While not outright barriers, the stones likely:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Forced carts to slow down when navigating around them, improving safety for pedestrians.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited the number of carts that could pass through a street at once, potentially reducing congestion.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Restricted larger vehicles or those with wider axles, making travel for them more challenging in specific areas.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Neighborhood Variations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's possible that some neighborhoods with denser pedestrian traffic or narrower streets had more strategically placed stepping stones, making cart passage even more inconvenient.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, there's no definitive evidence suggesting complete bans on wheeled traffic based solely on the presence of stepping stones.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The stepping stones in Pompeii's streets acted as traffic calming measures, encouraging slower speeds and prioritizing pedestrian safety while still allowing wheeled traffic.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Their placement and density might have varied across neighborhoods, influencing the ease of cart passage, but definitive proof of complete bans in specific areas based solely on these stones is lacking.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Remember, ancient societies are complex, and interpreting archaeological evidence often requires multiple perspectives. Consider these additional points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Social factors: Wealthier individuals using litters or palanquins might have faced fewer limitations compared to merchants or farmers relying on carts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Informal regulations: Unwritten customs or social norms could have discouraged cart use during busy hours in certain areas.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, while the stepping stones played a role in managing traffic, they weren't absolute barriers, and the overall picture likely involved a nuanced interplay of infrastructure, social norms, and situational factors.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: Were such stepping stones ever used in Rome then subsequently removed?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While definitive evidence remains elusive, the possibility of similar stepping stones existing in Rome and their potential removal presents an intriguing historical question. Let's delve into what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Pompeii's Stepping Stones:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In Pompeii, these raised stones primarily served pedestrians, allowing them to navigate muddy, debris-filled streets without getting dirty.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Their impact on wheeled traffic involved slowing down carts and influencing routes, not complete blockage.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evidence of chariot and cart use alongside the stepping stones suggests they weren't absolute barriers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rome's Streets:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rome, being a larger and more bustling metropolis, likely had distinct street types and regulations compared to Pompeii.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological evidence reveals a combination of narrow alleys, wider thoroughfares, and chariot racing tracks.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While some sources mention restrictions on wheeled traffic during specific times or areas, concrete details remain unclear.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Stepping Stones in Rome:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Direct archaeological evidence for widespread use of stepping stones like Pompeii's hasn't been found in Rome, but the possibility remains open.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Narrower alleys or specific areas near temples or markets might have benefited from such pedestrian crossings.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Literary sources mentioning raised walkways or platforms in Rome exist, but their exact purpose and location are debatable.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Removal of Stepping Stones:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">If stepping stones existed in Rome, their removal could have occurred due to various factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Changing urban landscape and traffic patterns.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Deterioration and lack of maintenance.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Different priorities for street infrastructure and aesthetics.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Unfortunately, pinpointing the exact timeline or reasons for removal remains challenging due to limited historical records.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While definitive proof of widespread stepping stones in Rome and their removal is lacking, the possibility exists, especially in specific areas.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The available evidence suggests a nuanced picture with various street types, regulations, and evolving infrastructure across Pompeii and Rome.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further archaeological research and analysis of historical sources might shed more light on this intriguing question.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: Is there documentation of the use of such stepping stones in other ancient Roman cities?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While the extensive use of stepping stones like those found in Pompeii hasn't been definitively documented in other major Roman cities, there's evidence suggesting their presence in some form, and the possibility remains open for further discoveries. Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Beyond Pompeii:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ostia Antica: This port city near Rome showcases some raised pavement sections interpreted as potential pedestrian crossings, though their design and purpose differ slightly from Pompeii's stepping stones.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Herculaneum: This city, also buried by the eruption of Vesuvius, has yielded archaeological evidence of raised walkways, but their exact function and resemblance to Pompeii's stepping stones require further investigation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Other Roman cities: Limited excavations and available documentation haven't conclusively confirmed the widespread use of Pompeii-style stepping stones in other major centers like Carthage, Timgad, or Londinium. However, variations in street design and pedestrian infrastructure across the vast Roman Empire leave room for future discoveries.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Challenges and Considerations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Differing Purposes: Stepping stones in other cities might have served diverse purposes beyond just aiding pedestrian movement, such as drainage channels or specific ceremonial functions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological Limitations: Incomplete excavations and the perishable nature of wooden elements often used in Roman roads make uncovering definitive evidence challenging.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional Variations: The vastness and diverse landscapes of the Roman Empire suggest that infrastructure solutions, including pedestrian crossings, likely adapted to local needs and contexts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Moving Forward:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ongoing archaeological research and analysis of historical texts might shed more light on the use of stepping stones or similar pedestrian infrastructure in other Roman cities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Studying the broader context of Roman urban planning, social norms, and traffic management practices can provide valuable insights into their potential implementation and purpose.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary Did the animals pulling carts and carriages have to climb over the stepping stones in Pompeii? (something I've always wondered about)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While the stepping stones in Pompeii's streets did present an obstacle for animals pulling carts and carriages, it's unlikely they had to "climb over" them in the way the phrase might suggest. Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Stepping Stone Design:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The stones weren't extremely high, typically ranging from 20-30 cm (8-12 inches) above the street level.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">They were spaced strategically to leave gaps wider than the axles of most carts, allowing them to pass through without much difficulty.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Some argue the gaps might have been narrower in specific areas with high pedestrian traffic, requiring careful maneuvering but not necessarily full climbing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Impact on Animals:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The primary challenge for animals pulling carts likely involved:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Slowing down: They couldn't maintain their full speed while navigating the stones, increasing travel time and potentially causing congestion.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Careful navigation: Drivers had to guide their animals carefully to avoid damaging the carts or injuring themselves and pedestrians.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uneven terrain: The stepping stones introduced an uneven surface, requiring extra effort from the animals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternatives for Large Animals:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Larger animals like oxen pulling heavier carts might have faced more difficulty with the stones, potentially requiring them to step partially on them.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, even for them, it wouldn't have been a full "climb" but rather a controlled step or two depending on the stone placement and cart design.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The stepping stones in Pompeii acted as traffic calming measures, influencing the movement of carts and carriages without completely blocking them.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Animals pulling these vehicles likely had to slow down, maneuver carefully, and navigate the uneven terrain, but climbing over them in the literal sense wasn't the main challenge.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Thinking about the use of slaves to carry litters I asked: Did the number of slave populations diminish significantly after the Dacian Wars?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Unfortunately, it's not possible to say definitively whether the number of slave populations diminished significantly after the Dacian Wars for a few reasons:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited Data: Reliable and comprehensive data on slave populations, especially during specific historical periods like the Dacian Wars (roughly 101-106 AD), is scarce. We often rely on fragmentary sources like historical accounts, legal documents, or archaeological evidence, which might not provide complete or accurate information.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Complex Factors: The size and demographics of slave populations weren't solely determined by military campaigns like the Dacian Wars. Numerous factors such as:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Birth and death rates: Natural increase and decrease within the slave population itself.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Slave trade: Imports and exports of slaves through trade networks.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Manumission: Practices of granting slaves freedom.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Economic trends: Demand for slave labor in different sectors.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">These factors would have continuously influenced the total slave population, making it difficult to isolate the exact impact of the Dacian Wars.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conflicting Interpretations: Historians offer varying interpretations of the wars' impact on slavery. Some suggest:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increase in enslaved Dacians: The capture and enslavement of Dacians might have led to a population increase.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Disruption of trade routes: Disruptions in slave trade routes due to the war could have affected overall numbers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uncertain long-term impact: Even if there was a short-term increase or decrease, its long-term impact on the overall slave population remains unclear.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the Dacian Wars likely had some influence on the slave population of the Roman Empire, definitively stating whether it led to a significant decrease remains impossible due to data limitations and complex historical factors. More research and nuanced analysis of available evidence are needed to understand the wars' specific impact on this particular aspect of Roman society.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Still thinking about a decrease in slave labor for litter bearers I asked: Did the slave population of the Roman Empire diminish significantly during the Antonine plague?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: Determining whether the slave population of the Roman Empire diminished significantly during the Antonine Plague (165-180 AD) is complex and requires careful consideration of various factors. Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Impact of the Plague:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Antonine Plague was a devastating pandemic, likely smallpox, estimated to have killed 30% to 50% of the affected population in some regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Slaves, living and working in close quarters often with poor sanitation, would have been highly vulnerable to the disease.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Decrease in Slave Population:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Based on the plague's severity and demographics, a decrease in the slave population is plausible. Factors supporting this include:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">High mortality rates among slaves due to lack of access to proper healthcare and living conditions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Disruption of slave trade networks due to quarantine measures and reduced economic activity.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uncertainty and Limitations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Definitive data on the specific impact on the slave population remains unavailable. Historians primarily rely on:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Population estimates, which are themselves often contested.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Literary sources, which might not accurately reflect the demographics of enslaved individuals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological evidence, which rarely directly addresses specific population groups.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Counterarguments:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Some argue against a significant decrease due to:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Potential resilience of younger slaves compared to the general population.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increased need for labor following the pandemic to rebuild and compensate for lost workers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Continued practice of enslavement despite the plague's effects.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While a decrease in the slave population during the Antonine Plague is likely, its exact extent and long-term implications remain unclear due to insufficient data and complex historical factors.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The impact likely varied across regions and social classes within the vast Roman Empire.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Exploration:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">To gain a deeper understanding, consider exploring specific aspects like:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional variations in plague severity and slave demographics.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evolution of slave trade practices following the pandemic.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Economic factors influencing the demand for slave labor after the plague.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: Is there any documentation indicating basternas were used by the general population as opposed to litter use by the elite in ancient Rome?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: While litters were indeed a symbol of elite status in ancient Rome, evidence suggests that basternas weren't exclusively used by the general population. Here's a breakdown of what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Basterna Usage:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Literary sources: References to basternas appear in works by Roman authors like Seneca, Juvenal, and Martial, often describing their use for both public and private travel.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Epigraphical evidence: Inscriptions mentioning basterna ownership or their use in transportation services have been found across the Roman Empire, suggesting they weren't limited to a specific social class.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological finds: Depictions of basternas on various objects, including pottery and reliefs, showcase their presence in diverse contexts beyond elite settings.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Distinguishing Factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While both litters and basternas offered covered, comfortable travel, some distinctions existed:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Size and Decoration: Litters were often smaller and more elaborately decorated, reflecting their association with wealth and status.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mode of Transport: Basternas could be carried by animals or pulled by wheeled vehicles, potentially making them more practical for longer journeys.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cost and Availability: While details are limited, some scholars suggest basternas might have been less expensive and more readily available compared to litters.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Accessibility for the General Population:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Based on available evidence, it's likely that:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Wealthier individuals within the general population, like merchants or landowners, could afford to use basternas for travel.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Public basternas for hire might have existed, offering transportation to those who couldn't afford personal ownership.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Basterna use varied depending on context and purpose, with some suggesting their prevalence in rural areas for travel or agricultural purposes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Nuances and Limitations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that social hierarchies and economic realities were complex in ancient Rome. Access to transportation options likely varied significantly across different groups and regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Definitive data on the exact ownership and usage patterns of basternas remains limited, requiring careful interpretation of available sources.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While litters symbolized elite status, basternas weren't exclusive to the general population in ancient Rome. Evidence suggests their use by various social classes for public and private travel, although accessibility likely varied depending on wealth and context. Further research and analysis of diverse historical sources can help us refine our understanding of this aspect of Roman society and transportation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: So, it appears to me that the development of non-wheeled personal transportation within Roman culture perhaps began as a way to circumvent regulations prohibiting wheeled transport within the city boundaries during daylight hours while also providing a means to flaunt an individual's wealth or status. Then the practice gradually declined over the course of 500 years due to a combination of factors, including the possible repeal of regulations prohibiting wheeled transport within the city during daylight hours, the decline in availability of slaves for this purpose due to manumission, pestilence and a decrease in military conquest, and, perhaps, a change in social customs in which the practice simply ceased to be fashionable.</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-14237487105433653242024-02-04T14:10:00.000-08:002024-02-06T08:34:48.330-08:00 Which civilization influenced the design of Roman sanitation systems?<p><br /></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">This morning I was reading an article on a history of Roman toilets and the author made a claim that raised my eyebrow. She first attributed the idea for Roman toilets to the Greeks via the Minoans that she claimed were the first people to record the use of underground plumbing. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgiGIXNyHCYmyGTtDa1aH22PUFpG1ZuYg6-uvJeAaFGmMcjlXZhFE4HhRjhhjh_WJDxkKtEv8agaLw6ePMK3vDMe61QafCy8IOa-4EqMwWJPrd6sP_OCIHs3PcWT5Atoi2rAvPyWbXe2b0PnXbPP8jbPJcDkA10V5QZ8vQVrF2d7McdyeZu5eAH8IjXaSE/s940/Latrines_doubles_site_de_Timgad_en_Alg%C3%A9rie%20Resized.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="676" data-original-width="940" height="230" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgiGIXNyHCYmyGTtDa1aH22PUFpG1ZuYg6-uvJeAaFGmMcjlXZhFE4HhRjhhjh_WJDxkKtEv8agaLw6ePMK3vDMe61QafCy8IOa-4EqMwWJPrd6sP_OCIHs3PcWT5Atoi2rAvPyWbXe2b0PnXbPP8jbPJcDkA10V5QZ8vQVrF2d7McdyeZu5eAH8IjXaSE/s320/Latrines_doubles_site_de_Timgad_en_Alg%C3%A9rie%20Resized.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: helvetica; text-align: left;">Ancient Roman double latrine in Timgad, Algeria <br />courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Le plombier du désert.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Whenever an author mentions a historical "first" my skepticism is immediately aroused so I asked Bard about it:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Mary: "Were the Minoans the first Mediterranean civilization to use underground plumbing for waste disposal?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "No, the Minoans were not the first Mediterranean civilization to use underground plumbing for waste disposal. While they were certainly an advanced civilization with impressive engineering feats, other cultures predate them in this specific area. Here's a breakdown:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Earlier Civilizations with Underground Plumbing:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Indus Valley Civilization (3300-1300 BCE): This civilization, located in present-day Pakistan and India, had sophisticated urban planning and drainage systems, including underground channels and brick-lined drains for wastewater disposal.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Mesopotamian Civilizations (5000-1900 BCE): Cities like Sumer and Babylonia also possessed elaborate drainage systems with covered channels and brickwork, handling both rainwater and wastewater.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Egyptian Civilization (3100-332 BCE): While evidence is less extensive, there are indications of underground drainage systems in major Egyptian cities like Memphis, suggesting waste disposal solutions beyond simple dumping.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Minoan Plumbing (2700-1450 BCE): The Minoans on the island of Crete did have impressive plumbing systems, including toilets with flushing mechanisms and underground channels for wastewater disposal.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Their palace complexes, like Knossos and Phaistos, showcased advanced sanitation practices for their time.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">However: Given the earlier examples mentioned above, the Minoans weren't the first in the Mediterranean to utilize such technology.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Their plumbing systems, while sophisticated, likely drew inspiration and knowledge from earlier Mesopotamian and Indus Valley advancements.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion: The Minoans were innovative and skilled engineers, but they weren't the pioneers of underground plumbing for waste disposal in the Mediterranean. Several earlier civilizations had already established similar systems, demonstrating the long history and continuous development of sanitation technologies in the region."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">I followed up with: "Did the plumbing in Sumer precede plumbing in Knossos?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "While both Sumer and Knossos boasted impressive plumbing systems for their times, definitively declaring one as preceding the other requires careful consideration due to complexities in dating and interpreting archaeological evidence. Here's what we know:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Sumerian Plumbing: Evidence suggests Sumerian cities like Ur and Lagash possessed sophisticated drainage systems as early as 4000-3000 BCE. These networks included covered brick channels and utilized gravity flow to dispose of wastewater and rainwater.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Some scholars argue for even earlier Sumerian plumbing systems based on interpretations of archaeological finds, potentially pushing the timeline back further.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Knossos Plumbing: The Minoan palace complex of Knossos on Crete displayed elaborate plumbing features around 1700-1450 BCE. These included toilets with flushing mechanisms, terra cotta pipes, and elaborate drainage systems connected to the sea.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While impressive, the dating of Minoan civilization itself remains debated, with some estimates suggesting earlier origins, potentially overlapping with later Sumerian periods.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Challenges in Comparison:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Dating uncertainties: Precise dating of archaeological sites and artifacts can be challenging, introducing potential margins of error when comparing timelines.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Incomplete evidence: Not all aspects of ancient plumbing systems are always well-preserved or fully understood, making definitive comparisons difficult.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Regional variations: Both Sumer and the Minoan civilization encompassed diverse settlements and time periods, potentially exhibiting variations in plumbing development across their regions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Therefore:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While Sumerian evidence currently points to earlier documented plumbing systems, the potential overlaps in dating and regional variations make definitively stating which civilization "preceded" the other in plumbing development challenging.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">It's more accurate to acknowledge both Sumer and Knossos as independent centers of innovation in ancient plumbing, each responding to their specific needs and contexts.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Further research and analysis, especially regarding earlier Sumerian settlements and refined dating methods, might offer a clearer picture in the future."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">I followed this up with "Was there extensive trading between ancient Mesopotamian civilizations and Indus Valley peoples?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "The evidence for extensive trade between ancient Mesopotamian civilizations and Indus Valley peoples remains debated, with both arguments for and against the existence of substantial, regular exchange:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments for trade:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Archaeological finds: Beads made from lapis lazuli, a stone only found in Afghanistan, have been discovered in both regions, suggesting some form of exchange network existed.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Similarities in seals and pottery: Some motifs and styles found on seals and pottery from both regions exhibit similarities, hinting at possible cultural interaction or influence.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Geographical proximity: The Indus Valley and Mesopotamia are relatively close geographically, facilitating potential trade connections through established land or maritime routes.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments against extensive trade:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited physical evidence: While some items suggest exchange, the volume and diversity of goods remain relatively small compared to other known trade networks of the time.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of written records: No definitive written records directly mentioning trade between these two regions have been found.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Chronological challenges: The peak periods of both civilizations didn't entirely overlap, raising questions about the extent of potential contact.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Current understanding:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While some exchange likely occurred, scholars debate whether it constituted extensive, regular trade.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The nature of this exchange remains unclear, with possibilities ranging from sporadic, indirect trade through intermediaries to occasional direct contact.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">More archaeological discoveries and analysis of existing finds are needed to provide a clearer picture of the relationship between these ancient civilizations.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additional points:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Trade routes connecting the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia would have passed through various other regions and cultures, complicating the picture of direct interaction.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The motivations for potential trade could have been diverse, including acquiring exotic materials, cultural exchange, or even religious purposes.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Overall, the question of trade between ancient Mesopotamian civilizations and Indus Valley peoples remains open to further investigation and interpretation."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Then I asked, "So do scholars think plumbing systems were developed independently in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Whether plumbing systems, specifically for wastewater management, developed entirely independently in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley is a complex question with no definitive answer. While both civilizations achieved impressive advancements in sanitation around the same timeframe (roughly 3000-2000 BCE), the evidence currently suggests both independent development and potential indirect influences:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments for independent development:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Geographical distance: Separated by thousands of kilometers and diverse terrain, direct cultural exchange would have been challenging.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Unique contexts and needs: Each civilization faced distinct geographical and environmental challenges, potentially leading to independent solutions for water management and sanitation.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Chronological variations: The peak periods of these civilizations didn't fully overlap, suggesting separate innovation timelines.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments for potential indirect influences:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Trade networks: While extensive trade is debated, some level of exchange networks connecting both regions existed, potentially facilitating the spread of ideas or technologies.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Similarities in principles: Both civilizations utilized similar design principles in their drainage systems, including underground channels and brickwork, hinting at possible shared knowledge or inspiration.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Cultural diffusion: Even without direct contact, broader cultural diffusion through intermediary regions could have played a role in spreading sanitation concepts.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Current understanding:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Although definitive proof of influence is lacking, scholars acknowledge the possibility of independent development with potential indirect influences from broader cultural exchange networks.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">More archaeological discoveries and analysis, especially regarding trade routes and cultural interactions between these regions and intermediary cultures, could offer further insights.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additionally:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">It's important to remember that "development" wasn't a singular event. Both civilizations likely built upon earlier local practices and knowledge, continuously adapting and improving their drainage systems over time.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Studying these ancient plumbing systems allows us to appreciate the ingenuity and diversity of solutions humans have developed across different regions and historical periods.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Ultimately, the question of independent development versus influence remains open to interpretation and ongoing research."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">As has often occurred when I am querying an AI tool, sometimes I get a bit side-tracked by details that just pop into my head. I couldn't help myself but ask, "Did plumbing solutions developed by the Indus Valley people feature more flood control systems due to the monsoon season than systems designed in Mesopotamia?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard replied: "It's true that the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia faced different environmental challenges, potentially influencing their plumbing solutions. However, when it comes to flood control specifically, the evidence paints a nuanced picture:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Similarities in both regions:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Both civilizations dealt with seasonal flooding from rivers, albeit with different intensities. The Indus Valley experienced monsoons, while Mesopotamia faced Tigris and Euphrates floods.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Both regions incorporated drainage networks into their urban planning, channeling excess water away from settlements. These networks utilized similar principles of gravity-fed flow and underground channels.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Elevated platforms for buildings were employed in both regions to mitigate flood risk, demonstrating awareness of the potential dangers.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Potential differences in flood control focus:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Indus Valley:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The widespread presence of reservoirs and canals in the Indus Valley suggests a stronger emphasis on water management beyond just drainage. These structures could have played a role in regulating water flow and potentially mitigating flood peaks.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">City walls in the Indus Valley might have served dual purposes, providing defense and protection from floods in some instances.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Mesopotamia:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While drainage networks existed, evidence for large-scale water storage or sophisticated flood control infrastructure is less prominent in Mesopotamian cities.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Dike systems built along riverbanks are documented in later periods, suggesting evolving approaches to flood control throughout Mesopotamian history.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Important considerations:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited archaeological evidence: More excavations and analysis are needed to fully understand the complexities of ancient plumbing systems in both regions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Variations within regions: Not all cities within each civilization might have implemented identical solutions, as local factors and specific flood risks played a role.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Difficulties in quantifying "focus": Attributing a stronger focus on flood control to one region is challenging due to incomplete data and differing interpretations of archaeological remains.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Both the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia incorporated flood control elements into their plumbing systems due to their respective riverine environments. While the Indus Valley might have exhibited a wider range of water management strategies potentially addressing floods, conclusive evidence for a significantly different "focus" on flood control compared to Mesopotamia remains elusive. Further research and analysis are needed to refine our understanding of these remarkable ancient engineering feats."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Considering flood control, I wondered, "Did ancient Egyptian flood control systems resemble those developed in the Indus Valley?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Comparing ancient Egyptian and Indus Valley flood control systems reveals both similarities and differences, reflecting their unique geographical contexts and approaches:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Similarities:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Dependence on Riverine Systems: Both civilizations thrived along major rivers – the Nile for Egypt and the Indus for the Indus Valley. They faced annual floods that deposited fertile silt but also posed threats to settlements and agriculture.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Earthen Embankments: Both societies constructed impressive earthen embankments to control floodwaters. In Egypt, these "levees" protected agricultural land and settlements along the Nile's floodplain. Similar structures have been identified in the Indus Valley, particularly around Mohenjo-daro and Harappa.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Drainage Networks: Both civilizations built sophisticated drainage systems to channel excess water away from settlements. In Egypt, canals and basins diverted floodwaters, while the Indus Valley utilized elaborate underground networks.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Elevated Structures: Building structures on elevated platforms or mounds offered protection from floodwaters. This practice existed in both cultures, with examples like temple complexes in Egypt and raised platforms supporting houses in the Indus Valley.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Differences:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Scale and Complexity: Egypt's centralized government and reliance on the Nile's annual inundation for agriculture might have led to a more extensive and integrated flood control system. The Indus Valley, with its multiple city-states and diverse geographical features, might have exhibited more localized and varied approaches.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Reservoirs and Canals: The Indus Valley boasted a wider network of reservoirs and canals for water storage and irrigation, suggesting a broader focus on water management beyond just flood control. In contrast, Egypt relied more on natural flooding patterns and basin irrigation.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Floodwater Utilization: Egyptians viewed floodwaters primarily as a source of agricultural bounty, while the Indus Valley might have placed more emphasis on mitigating potential flood damage and ensuring water availability throughout the year.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additionally:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited Direct Evidence: Much of our understanding comes from archaeological remains and historical texts, which can be incomplete or subject to interpretation.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Regional Variations: Both civilizations likely had regional variations in their flood control strategies based on specific environmental challenges and local needs.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While both ancient Egyptian and Indus Valley civilizations developed impressive flood control systems, their approaches reflected their unique geographic contexts, agricultural practices, and societal structures. They offer valuable insights into the ingenuity and adaptability of early humans in managing their environment and ensuring their survival and prosperity."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">At this point, I decided I should return to my question, "What civilizations probably influenced the design of wastewater management systems in ancient Rome?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "The design of wastewater management systems in ancient Rome was likely influenced by several earlier civilizations. Here are some of the most notable:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">1. Etruscan Civilization (8th - 1st century BCE):</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The Etruscans, who inhabited much of central Italy before the rise of Rome, were highly skilled engineers and urban planners. They built sophisticated underground sewer systems, like the Cloaca Maxima in Rome itself, which served as a foundation for the later Roman network.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The Etruscans also emphasized public hygiene and sanitation, which influenced Roman attitudes towards public baths and waste disposal.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">2. Greek Civilization (8th - 2nd century BCE):</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While not widely known for advanced sewer systems, the Greeks contributed to Roman wastewater management through their emphasis on urban planning and public health. The concept of "polis hygiene," maintaining cleanliness within the city, influenced Roman policies and infrastructure development.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additionally, Greek engineers made advancements in sanitation technologies like aqueducts for water supply, which Roman engineers later adapted and expanded upon.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">3. Mesopotamian Civilizations (5000 - 1900 BCE):</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Though geographically distant, civilizations like Sumer and Babylonia had developed intricate drainage systems featuring covered channels and brickwork centuries before the Romans. These systems handled both rainwater and wastewater, demonstrating early understanding of sanitation principles.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While direct influence is difficult to prove, it's plausible that Roman engineers drew inspiration or knowledge from these earlier systems through trade routes or cultural exchange.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">4. Indus Valley Civilization (3300 - 1300 BCE):</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">This civilization, located in present-day Pakistan and India, possessed highly advanced urban planning with impressive drainage systems. They utilized underground channels and brick-lined drains for wastewater disposal, demonstrating sophisticated engineering capabilities early in history.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While direct connections are uncertain, the widespread knowledge of these systems across trade networks might have indirectly influenced Roman engineers seeking solutions for their growing city.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">It's important to note that these influences likely combined and evolved over time. Roman wastewater management wasn't a direct copy from any single source, but rather a culmination of knowledge and practices adapted to their specific needs and context. Additionally, local factors like geography and available materials would have played a role in shaping the final design of the Roman system.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">By understanding these historical influences, we gain a deeper appreciation for the complexity and ingenuity of ancient Roman engineering, which left a lasting impact on sanitation practices and urban planning."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 115%; margin-bottom: 10.0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The article I read also mentioned water reuse as a key component in the
design of Roman sanitation systems, including the channeling of water from
public baths to latrines and ultimately gardens around the city.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Again, I felt compelled to dig a little deeper by asking, "Did the water in all public baths drain into channels providing greywater to flush public latrines before further channeling to supply gardens?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Unfortunately, there's no simple yes or no answer to your question. The practice of using bath water for flushing latrines and irrigating gardens varied across different eras and locations within the Roman Empire. Here's a breakdown:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Evidence for:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Scholastica Baths, Ostia Antica: This specific site is believed to have had a sophisticated system where used bath water flowed into latrines for flushing and then further to gardens.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited sources: Some writings mention the reuse of bath water for purposes like flushing or irrigation, but they're not widespread and might not represent general practice.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Evidence against:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of widespread infrastructure: Extensive archaeological evidence hasn't revealed widespread plumbing specifically designed to redirect bath water for these purposes across the Empire.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Hygiene concerns: While Romans valued hygiene, mixing potentially soapy and dirty bathwater with fecal matter in latrines could raise hygiene concerns, especially considering limited knowledge of disease transmission back then.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Technical challenges: Depending on the bath complex design and water quality, filtering and treating bathwater for reuse might have been impractical or too complex.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Therefore:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The reuse of bathwater for flushing and irrigation wasn't a universal practice in Roman public baths. While some specific examples might have existed, evidence suggests it wasn't a widespread or standardized system.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">More research and archaeological discoveries are needed to fully understand the variations in water management practices across different Roman public baths throughout the Empire."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Having studied wealthy homes with private baths, I then asked: "Was water from private baths in wealthier homes channeled back into the public drainage system?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Unfortunately, the information available isn't conclusive regarding whether water from private baths in wealthier Roman homes directly connected to the public drainage system. Here's what we know:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments for connecting to public drainage:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Convenience: Wealthier homes often enjoyed the benefits of public infrastructure, so connecting their plumbing to the existing drainage system would be logical for convenience and waste disposal.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited private options: Building and maintaining private cesspools or septic systems could be expensive and cumbersome, making public drainage an attractive alternative.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Archaeological evidence: Some limited archaeological evidence from Pompeii suggests private houses might have utilized the public drainage system.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments against connecting to public drainage:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Hygiene concerns: Public drainage systems primarily handled rainwater and street runoff, not sewage. Direct discharge of bathwater containing soap, dirt, and potentially human waste could raise hygiene concerns and contribute to unpleasant odors.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Social status: Wealthier citizens might have preferred separate systems to avoid mixing their waste with that of the general public, highlighting their social status.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of widespread evidence: Despite some examples, archaeological evidence for a widespread connection of private baths to public drainage hasn't been definitively found.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Therefore:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The question of whether wealthier homes directly connected their baths to public drainage remains unanswered. Evidence suggests both possibilities, but definitive conclusions are challenging due to limited and potentially site-specific archaeological findings.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">More research and specific excavations focusing on the plumbing systems of wealthier Roman homes are needed to provide a clearer picture.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Overall, while the possibility exists, the extent and prevalence of private bath connections to public drainage in ancient Rome requires further investigation."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">I had read articles some years ago in which some scholars claimed Roman baths were dirty and unhealthy. With aqueducts supplying a constant gravity-fed flow to baths that in turn channel "greywater" to public latrines and eventually gardens, I wondered how bath water could become overly contaminated.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "While Roman public baths played a vital role in social life and hygiene, some scholars have indeed raised concerns about their potential downsides to health. Here are some of the arguments presented:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Potential issues:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Poor water quality: Although Romans valued clean water, maintaining consistent quality in large public baths posed challenges. Contaminants like dust, sweat, and even fecal matter could enter the water, especially in overcrowded conditions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Spreading diseases: Despite the social distancing encouraged in some baths, close contact and shared pools could facilitate the transmission of contagious diseases like skin infections, respiratory illnesses, and even parasites.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lead pipes: While Romans primarily used terracotta for aqueducts, lead pipes were sometimes used for internal plumbing within baths. Lead exposure can lead to various health problems, raising concerns about long-term effects on bath users.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Excessive bathing: Some scholars argue that frequent hot bathing could weaken the body's natural defenses and leave individuals more susceptible to illnesses. This theory remains debated, as regular bathing offered clear hygienic benefits.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Important context:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited evidence: Most claims about potential health risks rely on theoretical possibilities and lack conclusive evidence from historical records or archaeological findings.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Varied practices: Bath designs, hygiene practices, and water management varied across the Roman Empire and over time, making generalizations challenging.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Overall benefits: Despite potential downsides, Roman baths offered immense social, hygienic, and recreational benefits that likely outweighed the perceived health risks for most users.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The claim that Roman baths were inherently unhealthy needs to be considered within its historical context and with some skepticism. While potential risks existed, the overall benefits and lack of conclusive evidence suggest a more nuanced picture. Further research and analysis specific to different bath complexes and historical periods are needed for a more definitive understanding of their relationship to health in ancient Rome."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard did point out factors affecting bath water quality, though.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">"It's true that the main flow from aqueducts remained constant, but that doesn't guarantee the water in individual baths wouldn't become contaminated. Here's why:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Factors affecting individual bath water:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited flow within baths: While the aqueduct provided a continuous flow, smaller pipes distributed water within the bath complex. These pipes had narrower diameters, naturally reducing the flow rate at individual baths compared to the main channel. This slower flow could allow contaminants to build up.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Overcrowding and reuse: Public baths were popular social spaces, often leading to overcrowding. More people meant more dirt, sweat, and potentially bodily fluids entering the water, increasing contamination risk. Additionally, some bath areas might have re-circulated used water for certain purposes, further concentrating contaminants.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Hygiene practices: While Romans valued cleanliness, individual bathing habits could influence water quality. If bathers didn't thoroughly rinse before entering, they could introduce dirt and oils into the water. The effectiveness of scraping tools (strigils) in removing impurities is also debated.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Stagnant water in pools and channels: Even with some flow, water might not circulate perfectly within pools and channels, leading to stagnant areas where contaminants could fester. This was especially true in less frequently used areas of the bath complex.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Structural deterioration: Leaks, cracks, or poorly maintained pipes could allow external contaminants like dust, debris, or even sewage to seep into the bath water, posing significant health risks.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Therefore:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While the aqueduct supplied a continuous flow, the water reaching individual baths could become stagnant or contaminated due to various factors related to internal plumbing, usage patterns, hygiene practices, and infrastructure maintenance.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additionally:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">It's worth noting that the level of contamination and its impact on health are complex questions with limited historical evidence. While potential risks existed, further research is needed to understand the true prevalence and severity of such situations in Roman baths."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Since I had also read that women and slaves used the public baths at different times, I couldn't help but ask "Is there any documentation that the flow rate of the water supply to public bath complexes was reduced during the hours designated for female or slave attendance?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Unfortunately, there is currently no concrete and widespread documentation to support the claim that the flow rate of water to public bath complexes was reduced during specific hours designated for female or slave attendance in ancient Rome. Here's why:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of direct evidence:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">No specific mention exists in historical texts or legal documents of a deliberate practice to reduce water flow based on gender or social status.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While individual accounts or anecdotes might exist, they wouldn't provide conclusive evidence of a widespread or standardized practice.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments against the claim:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Maintaining water pressure: Roman engineers prioritized reliable water flow throughout the aqueduct system. Reducing the flow for specific groups would require complex adjustments and could create imbalances, potentially affecting other areas.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Social implications: Such a practice would raise significant social and ethical concerns, implying discrimination and unequal access to basic hygiene resources based on gender or social status. This contradicts documented Roman values of public bathing as a social equalizer and essential hygienic practice.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Alternative explanations: If lower water levels were observed during certain hours, alternative explanations like cleaning periods, repairs, or fluctuations in overall demand are more likely.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Important considerations:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited access: While public baths were generally open to all citizens, there could have been unofficial social barriers limiting access for certain groups, including slaves or women from lower classes. This wouldn't, however, involve manipulating the water flow intentionally.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Regional variations: Practices and social dynamics might have varied across different regions and periods within the Roman Empire. More research focused on specific locations and timeframes is needed for a more nuanced understanding.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The claim of reduced water flow based on gender or social status in Roman baths requires further investigation and currently lacks solid historical evidence. While social barriers to access might have existed, manipulating water flow specifically for such purposes remains unsubstantiated by available documentation."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Thinking about the public latrines in Rome, I asked: "Have flow rate valves been found in the plumbing of public latrines in ancient Rome?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "While no definitive record exists of dedicated flow rate valves specifically discovered in the plumbing of public latrines in ancient Rome, there's nuance to consider:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">What we know:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Romans were skilled engineers and utilized various valves and sluices to control water flow across their aqueduct and plumbing systems.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Public latrines typically relied on gravity-fed water supplies from aqueducts or nearby springs.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Latrines often had multiple basins or channels, suggesting some level of flow control was necessary.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">What we don't know:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Archaeological evidence rarely identifies specific functions of valves found in Roman plumbing systems.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Terminology used in historical sources might not translate directly to modern valve systems.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Latrines often had simple flushing mechanisms relying on direct water flow, not necessarily requiring complex flow rate adjustments.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Possible scenarios:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Basic valves: Valves might have existed to adjust water flow into latrines, but they might not have been dedicated "flow rate" valves in the modern sense. They could have served as on/off switches or basic flow regulators.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Indirect control: Water flow to latrines might have been indirectly controlled by valves at upstream distribution points within the aqueduct system or bath complexes, not within the latrines themselves.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited need: Frequent use and gravity-fed systems might have minimized the need for precise flow rate control within latrines compared to other water needs like fountains or pools.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While dedicated flow rate valves haven't been explicitly identified in public latrines, various control mechanisms likely existed to manage water flow. More research and analysis of archaeological finds and historical texts are needed to gain a clearer picture of specific methods and terminology used in Roman plumbing systems."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Since much of my latest research has been focused on Pompeii and I had read that the construction of the aqueduct during the reign of Augustus caused an explosion in the development of gardens, I wondered, "Has there been findings in Pompeii of direct water usage from aqueducts for gardening instead of the use of "greywater" sources?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Unfortunately, there isn't definitive evidence of direct water usage from aqueducts for gardening in Pompeii instead of greywater sources. Here's a breakdown of the current understanding:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments for direct aqueduct usage:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Extensive aqueduct network: Pompeii boasted a vast and impressive aqueduct system, suggesting ample water availability.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited greywater evidence: While some greywater use might have existed, widespread archaeological evidence for dedicated greywater collection and irrigation systems in Pompeii is lacking.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Gardens in wealthier homes: Wealthier homes often had elaborate gardens, and directly accessing the seemingly abundant aqueduct water could seem convenient.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Arguments against direct aqueduct usage:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Water conservation: Romans valued water conservation, and using precious aqueduct water directly for gardens instead of prioritizing public needs or reuse seems counterintuitive.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Social implications: Direct access to aqueduct water for private gardens might have raised concerns about unfair water distribution and social inequality.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of archaeological evidence: No conclusive physical evidence, like dedicated pipes diverting water directly from the aqueduct to gardens, has been found in Pompeii.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Current understanding:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While Romans undoubtedly used water for gardens, the primary sources likely included:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Wells: Numerous wells have been discovered in Pompeii, suggesting their importance for local water needs.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Rainwater collection: Techniques for collecting rainwater were known and practiced in Roman times.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Greywater: While widespread systems haven't been identified, some level of greywater reuse for gardens can't be entirely ruled out.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Direct aqueduct usage for gardens in Pompeii remains unproven. While the possibility exists, considering water conservation practices, social implications, and the lack of concrete archaeological evidence, alternative water sources seem more likely for garden irrigation. Further research and excavations might shed more light on this topic in the future."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">I followed up with: "Where was water used in the Stabian and Forum baths in Pompeii channeled for reuse?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "Unfortunately, there isn't definitive information about the specific reuse channels for water in the Stabian and Forum baths in Pompeii. While some evidence suggests water reuse, the exact methods and destinations remain unclear. Here's what we know:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Evidence for water reuse:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Roman engineering: Romans were skilled in water management, and reusing bathwater aligns with their documented practices in other locations.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Limited freshwater: Pompeii relied on aqueducts for freshwater, making reuse an attractive option to conserve this valuable resource.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Archaeological hints: Some archaeologists suggest the presence of channels and settling tanks in the bath complexes, potentially indicating reuse systems.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Uncertainties and unknowns:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Lack of conclusive evidence: No definitive archaeological finds or written records explicitly detail the reuse channels or destinations in these specific baths.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Varied practices: Water management techniques might have differed across different bath complexes and throughout Pompeii's history.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Incomplete excavations: Not all areas of the baths have been fully excavated, leaving some aspects of the plumbing system unknown.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Possible scenarios:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Latrines and flushing: Some scholars propose that used bathwater might have been channeled to flush public latrines, a common practice in some Roman cities.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Irrigation: Reusing bathwater for irrigation in nearby gardens is another possibility, although evidence for dedicated systems is lacking.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Cooling and heating: Some theories suggest using cooled or heated bathwater for other purposes within the baths themselves, but details remain unclear.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Conclusion:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While the concept of water reuse in Roman baths is well-established, the specifics of how it functioned in the Stabian and Forum baths of Pompeii require further investigation. More archaeological exploration, analysis of existing finds, and comparisons with other Roman bath sites might provide a clearer picture in the future."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Then I asked, "Did Pompeii have a public sewer system like the Cloaca Maxima in Rome?"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Bard: "While Pompeii didn't boast a massive sewer system like Rome's Cloaca Maxima, it did possess a complex and well-developed network of underground channels that functioned as a public drainage system. Here's a breakdown of the similarities and differences:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Similarities:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Function: Both systems channeled rainwater, wastewater, and sewage away from streets and public spaces.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Gravity-fed: Both relied on gravity to move water through the channels.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Underground network: Both featured extensive underground networks of covered channels built with stone and brick.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Public hygiene: Both played a crucial role in maintaining public hygiene and sanitation.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Differences:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Scale: The Cloaca Maxima was much larger and older, dating back to the 6th century BC. Pompeii's system developed later, around the 2nd century BC, and was smaller in scale.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Complexity: The Cloaca Maxima served a much larger and more populated city, requiring a more complex and intricate design. Pompeii's system, while sophisticated, catered to a smaller population.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Materials: The Cloaca Maxima primarily used volcanic tufa, while Pompeii's system employed various materials like limestone, travertine, and volcanic tuff.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Connections: The Cloaca Maxima directly connected to the Tiber River, while Pompeii's system discharged wastewater into the Sarno River and the sea through underground outlets.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Therefore:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Pompeii didn't have a direct copy of the Cloaca Maxima, but it possessed a well-designed public drainage system crucial for managing water and waste within the city.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">This system demonstrates the advanced engineering capabilities of the Romans and their commitment to sanitation even in smaller provincial towns like Pompeii.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Additionally:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">While the main drainage system focused on removing water and waste, individual houses in Pompeii often had private latrines connected to smaller drainage channels.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Recent excavations have also revealed a sophisticated network of smaller channels designed specifically for rainwater drainage within the city."</span></p><div><br /></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-39907092949543468162024-01-29T13:56:00.000-08:002024-01-29T13:56:16.952-08:00 Ovid's Metamorphoses and the popularity of Narcissus wall paintings in the Roman Imperial Period<p><br /></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While reading a research paper on interpretations of Roman wall paintings of Narcissus, I learned forty different paintings of Narcissus have been found in the Campanian region testifying to the popularity and influence of the publication of Ovid's Metamorphoses during the Imperial Period. The article also included an image of the painting from the House of Marcus Lucretius <span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span>Fronto and it is shown enclosed within a frame and facing the opposite direction from the photograph of the painting presented by pompeiiinpictures.com in my earlier post about the frescos of the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto in Pompeii.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEXDEs2o1QSphYWIQaDhYkm0R1WGOrxPkN_XyEA5Gu97dHasJ_kOISya8YTwyinne8Yq8150vCRCWJvMJWDrBEYzm2K3H_3_ploqEsd_L47kZtKXB_YFoEfGjp8hDJD-sZMPscWy62Eq1_iN5bcKhBGOTKsCUcqhuf8bANe64CX08y90LLnHvSxbVg2zY/s1288/Narcissus%20in%20the%20House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%20by%20Scala%20Art%20Resource.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1288" data-original-width="1200" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEXDEs2o1QSphYWIQaDhYkm0R1WGOrxPkN_XyEA5Gu97dHasJ_kOISya8YTwyinne8Yq8150vCRCWJvMJWDrBEYzm2K3H_3_ploqEsd_L47kZtKXB_YFoEfGjp8hDJD-sZMPscWy62Eq1_iN5bcKhBGOTKsCUcqhuf8bANe64CX08y90LLnHvSxbVg2zY/s320/Narcissus%20in%20the%20House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%20by%20Scala%20Art%20Resource.jpg" width="298" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Image of the fresco of Narcissus from the House of <br />Marcus Lucretius Fronto in Pompeii provided by Scala Art Resource</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Scala Art Resource image was apparently inadvertently reversed when reproduced, though, because I found a new photograph on pompeiiinpictures.com taken just this year after the extensive restoration work completed in January 2023.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFv3G5yHyHh1ZpMljnnfWT82IrSF2A0XMybg2_CLWFUORO3sFqvU7x1tNNwPb31GAq9EoIrkM0jpyeWhth6yiWwqSBizJ_pODOoY3OEv2L0NQyOWjJCm5nWU1oRlAYDUw9wDW4tdz3y6b5tE5shk8EeHnuiWAAYG9XwxskgpAnY-VQC_TslBPLuaUxXkM/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023.%20Room%20%E2%80%98i%E2%80%99,%20north%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20detail%20of%20Narcissus%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFv3G5yHyHh1ZpMljnnfWT82IrSF2A0XMybg2_CLWFUORO3sFqvU7x1tNNwPb31GAq9EoIrkM0jpyeWhth6yiWwqSBizJ_pODOoY3OEv2L0NQyOWjJCm5nWU1oRlAYDUw9wDW4tdz3y6b5tE5shk8EeHnuiWAAYG9XwxskgpAnY-VQC_TslBPLuaUxXkM/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023.%20Room%20%E2%80%98i%E2%80%99,%20north%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20detail%20of%20Narcissus%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2023. Room ‘i’, north wall of cubiculum, detail of Narcissus courtesy of Johannes Eber</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Here is a translation of a portion of Ovid's retelling of the Narcissus myth:</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"He is astonished at himself and, perfectly still, with unchanging expression, is transfixed, as if he were a statue carved of Parian marble. Lying on the ground, he gazes at his eyes, twin stars, his curls, worthy of Bacchus and even of Apollo, his beardless cheeks, his ivory neck, the beauty of his face, and his blush, mixed with snowy whiteness. He wonders at all that makes him wondrous: without knowing, he desires himself and he who praises is himself praised. While he seeks, he is sought, and equally inflames and burns with love." (Met. 3.418–26) - Hérica Valladares, Fallax Imago: Ovid's Narcissus and the seduction of mimesis in Roman wall painting.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Valladares concludes, "Ovid's poem and first century wall paintings of Narcissus postulate and enact an affective relationship between viewer and image that is best described in erotic, amatory terms. As in the Metamorphoses, Campanian representations of Narcissus depict a prolonged, almost indefinite moment of inaction, in which narrative is supplanted by a direct appeal to the senses and the emotions. Central to these games of poetic and pictorial illusion is an analogy between the viewer/reader and the depicted lover, whose elusive object of desire becomes a metaphor for one's sense of reality. What we find, then, in Ovid's Metamorphoses and Pompeian images of Narcissus is an instigation to believe in and also see through the mechanisms of illusion."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-47450985761082287692024-01-29T13:27:00.000-08:002024-01-29T13:27:59.343-08:00Aphrodite Anadyomene's Special Symbolism<p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> <span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">My good friend Allan Gluck has been back to the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. and sent us some more images from their ancient Roman collection. His images included this early 7th century necklace with a pendant depicting the Greek goddess of love Aphrodite Anadyomene crafted of gold with gemstones of lapis lazuli. Bard points out Aphrodite Anadyomene, meaning "rising from the sea" in ancient Greek, depicts a specific moment in the goddess of love and beauty's </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">origin story. </span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCoGLZk0xzTaSa1swXoiFar9_fVl424YvGXfb2QhyphenhyphenOOhX5xNczKzAglmLHfkrjvqfaaEonEWLn9-_m6dNpcop-GLPbbHMVgnXbt3u4lv-AoFKOp4o2f9fCq8ruXKJdXUXR9Dp_RXSlpUqRpEkov6plBSnR1tOva9R5v3X7nQ4TYYiih9NuwGyHojyxjvU/s4032/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(5).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCoGLZk0xzTaSa1swXoiFar9_fVl424YvGXfb2QhyphenhyphenOOhX5xNczKzAglmLHfkrjvqfaaEonEWLn9-_m6dNpcop-GLPbbHMVgnXbt3u4lv-AoFKOp4o2f9fCq8ruXKJdXUXR9Dp_RXSlpUqRpEkov6plBSnR1tOva9R5v3X7nQ4TYYiih9NuwGyHojyxjvU/s320/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(5).jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Necklace with Pendant of Aphrodite Anadyomene, early 7th century CE photographed by Allan Gluck at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpD3CacMsAYd1r7iLLgPgAwWlzDhZxgWGt1I-gbEQrg1CM7ws0wqFzNoUUul_NfcCCDy3Ka-WCa-8yg6JJrINpNQmr8crKPrfVVsSU5FwPE3hlacgrSYYEPFrkVv1P6VX_TIC8rB3f9tAtN-5iKg7zlP5VzszYkgaa-hpvXuE3uvck9mAcfw1V5hGmfCA/s4032/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(4).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpD3CacMsAYd1r7iLLgPgAwWlzDhZxgWGt1I-gbEQrg1CM7ws0wqFzNoUUul_NfcCCDy3Ka-WCa-8yg6JJrINpNQmr8crKPrfVVsSU5FwPE3hlacgrSYYEPFrkVv1P6VX_TIC8rB3f9tAtN-5iKg7zlP5VzszYkgaa-hpvXuE3uvck9mAcfw1V5hGmfCA/s320/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(4).jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Necklace with Pendant of Aphrodite Anadyomene, early 7th century CE photographed by Allan Gluck at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-HIP8TalIasaVybF6m6it7AxxF8kKdc_IvbmQ59lgh_JBtQjyDg_UftNiCqwqGKyAQDNiYbUqHbtDWVBtId5rGrLl_XkVwhZFtIrr0MFUU7MgJfUbf4MWKQYY4sYrOaSXkVaDFAQTj7P_G1ARmNj_ar84KKDU9MVhtKQLYu03hJk-XHgisX6vOykyOkk/s4032/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(6).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-HIP8TalIasaVybF6m6it7AxxF8kKdc_IvbmQ59lgh_JBtQjyDg_UftNiCqwqGKyAQDNiYbUqHbtDWVBtId5rGrLl_XkVwhZFtIrr0MFUU7MgJfUbf4MWKQYY4sYrOaSXkVaDFAQTj7P_G1ARmNj_ar84KKDU9MVhtKQLYu03hJk-XHgisX6vOykyOkk/s320/Aphrodite%20necklace%20gold%20lapis%207th%20C%20(6).jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Necklace with Pendant of Aphrodite Anadyomene, early 7th century CE photographed by Allan Gluck at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">This sets her apart from other portrayals of Aphrodite in a few key ways:</span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Pose and gesture:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emerging from the sea: Unlike many depictions of Aphrodite, which show her fully clothed or adorned, Anadyomene is emerging from the waves, often with water clinging to her skin and hair. This emphasizes her birth from the sea foam and her connection to the natural world.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Wringing her hair: A characteristic gesture of Anadyomene is wringing her wet hair, which symbolizes her emergence from the water and her newfound presence in the world. This dynamic pose adds a sense of movement and sensuality to the sculpture.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Symbolism:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While nudity is not uncommon in depictions of Aphrodite, Anadyomene's nudity in this context is particularly significant. It symbolizes her natural beauty and her emergence from the primal elements of the sea.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Dumbarton Oaks' curator observes:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Standing in a blue shell, Aphrodite Anadyomene wrings seawater from her hair. The pose was well known in antiquity, referring to the goddess’s birth from the sea, of which the deep blue color of the lapis lazuli is a visual metaphor. The harmony of references—pose, shell, deep blue color, and the sea pearls on the short chains—displays the jeweler’s ability to adapt a venerated mythological image to the luxury materials of elite taste during the early Byzantine period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The delight and fascination with exquisitely crafted jewelry were undiminished at the end of late antiquity, and the appreciation of Greco-Roman mythology, even the most lascivious of all its goddesses, continued well after the Byzantine Empire had become an officially Christian society. Aphrodite’s fame as the goddess of beauty and physical desire are expressed by her seminudity and enhanced through the precious gold, lapis lazuli, and pearls of the necklace. Yet it might have been a magical property of the image that accounted for the figure’s allure. Amulets and charms, whether costly or cheap, had been worn for centuries as effective means of personal protection or for controlling the actions or emotions of other people. This elegant necklace may have been such an amulet (apotropaion), either against pervasive malevolent spirits or as a charm to grant an erotic wish."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The piece was purchased from an antiquities dealer in Paris in 1928 so, unfortunately, there is no information about the find site.</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-24341145614356714782024-01-29T11:35:00.000-08:002024-01-29T11:35:23.552-08:00 Seventh century CE Roman coin jewelry<p><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">More interesting artifacts from the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. photographed by my friend Allan Gluck - seventh century eastern Roman gold coin bracelets with each composed of a solidus (a gold denomination struck seventy-two to the Roman pound) surrounded by four tremissi (one third of a solidus). Coin jewelry, worn by the elite of ancient Greece and Rome, enjoyed a revival in what is often referred to as </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">early Byzantine times with some pieces made of medallions or pseudo-coins, while others, like these made of real coins. The curators of the museum observe:</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The use of money in jewelry expresses in literal terms what is always true of jewelry, that it operates as social currency, displaying and negotiating the wearer’s position. The wearer of these bracelets, almost certainly male, was displaying his superior social status through the precious materials, and may even have been hinting at a certain relationship to the court of the emperors depicted on the coins.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZPBkxGUNx5sVODaqy3RYzeTtHe_EaQq8zlAU3SN1oQP1oIdP6oxfpW2fJR8ScK18xgbkE-ObmIIVicCECrGVt4ZSw5JzI70Ghha9tJii1V4tU1QJgWjTpoMMw9PlHMjc26Kpjw07P6r2WDRahAUUaOKZzfG7ysWtUq_piO8sv0h9Fthp55H-0Gv1vYYs/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(4)%20ACR%20Color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZPBkxGUNx5sVODaqy3RYzeTtHe_EaQq8zlAU3SN1oQP1oIdP6oxfpW2fJR8ScK18xgbkE-ObmIIVicCECrGVt4ZSw5JzI70Ghha9tJii1V4tU1QJgWjTpoMMw9PlHMjc26Kpjw07P6r2WDRahAUUaOKZzfG7ysWtUq_piO8sv0h9Fthp55H-0Gv1vYYs/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(4)%20ACR%20Color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBP7Qepj2XSdmusBK3q_KIzuJ7ORESmBvZhzLq-xvD9xOdCZsnDus7aW_V5_UvpQtBpyEL40BRF2Pfczrjk9AyiNvaY8zXPCnWQmlhsVuFcAYVDzMWq0Rrgn6rg1i1UF__-slmSw40v6nOEG6OMk7Jc-UH_VkODu_lptYz52Ed3Tt7cxaK1LRVyWxBlyQ/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(1)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBP7Qepj2XSdmusBK3q_KIzuJ7ORESmBvZhzLq-xvD9xOdCZsnDus7aW_V5_UvpQtBpyEL40BRF2Pfczrjk9AyiNvaY8zXPCnWQmlhsVuFcAYVDzMWq0Rrgn6rg1i1UF__-slmSw40v6nOEG6OMk7Jc-UH_VkODu_lptYz52Ed3Tt7cxaK1LRVyWxBlyQ/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(1)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqfVLEkTGbMXj9NIt97MpNkNMiyzYI3j2WLqS6LoHFGz6g5TzfjJgp9Wp__ZXg7Q97m-a57M-asrEPOet19TLhwlJMWM8fDUGZYQS68P7_QD2KJzQxI5UXAPizUVCkVWCS2LvDPxQX00D_8N7cvIgHdNqC3kYuKSwtb4ot3gekEDUrorjuASAe72pZEzQ/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(5)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqfVLEkTGbMXj9NIt97MpNkNMiyzYI3j2WLqS6LoHFGz6g5TzfjJgp9Wp__ZXg7Q97m-a57M-asrEPOet19TLhwlJMWM8fDUGZYQS68P7_QD2KJzQxI5UXAPizUVCkVWCS2LvDPxQX00D_8N7cvIgHdNqC3kYuKSwtb4ot3gekEDUrorjuASAe72pZEzQ/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(5)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMoIWAUVjuSyj069ehLjwZ9hgLeXT1yM8G4FpXS7Qv13kK5WSXOtvE67-ZM8-1YJWfb7HIHT9Q_qctO6E-8IRKqFtxH-FkcDClb_5x-3SXY4FHB_Um9t-C1bCIFS1PX3IS9i3XC-ffRVm0WwJLZD0uQUBV6-e-NYWr0PCNMv1iVMe2aCJjZkFPJM3BxSs/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(7)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMoIWAUVjuSyj069ehLjwZ9hgLeXT1yM8G4FpXS7Qv13kK5WSXOtvE67-ZM8-1YJWfb7HIHT9Q_qctO6E-8IRKqFtxH-FkcDClb_5x-3SXY4FHB_Um9t-C1bCIFS1PX3IS9i3XC-ffRVm0WwJLZD0uQUBV6-e-NYWr0PCNMv1iVMe2aCJjZkFPJM3BxSs/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(7)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgTDRS_oAZPXydNHhEFfAHT33fRdXqRTsrUm-taVVkK-E1fSzhKVkUMs4pAJS_7lzBucCqVfFZS_o7y6vljvmHBivZ5nZxnfQwZKnmGsPdx75hNgSv0_UeWBX6ESkJlQkemiAHVWdYO6MW8JWp9CrDW9IPcBw1EyWhRzzKn235XLUM8dg0_Vc311h7YdM/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(8)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgTDRS_oAZPXydNHhEFfAHT33fRdXqRTsrUm-taVVkK-E1fSzhKVkUMs4pAJS_7lzBucCqVfFZS_o7y6vljvmHBivZ5nZxnfQwZKnmGsPdx75hNgSv0_UeWBX6ESkJlQkemiAHVWdYO6MW8JWp9CrDW9IPcBw1EyWhRzzKn235XLUM8dg0_Vc311h7YdM/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(8)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDMFUpREFIbHqHkIvjDSSZeVRE5yHrjZjbcp9yW5qtqiGhMdlLrhp-mhyphenhyphen-thBkC6dx34bMSQUjVDXDLcudrDuyMpsigzL8vclAcw6I1qUMhOYHeLhiuHyQuMtK8huSbdln-4ZH-eJxMgAiiSvOSWJ8bZo4ACyvFIeydy2NY71SM02slKr8o_H489__Be8/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(9)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDMFUpREFIbHqHkIvjDSSZeVRE5yHrjZjbcp9yW5qtqiGhMdlLrhp-mhyphenhyphen-thBkC6dx34bMSQUjVDXDLcudrDuyMpsigzL8vclAcw6I1qUMhOYHeLhiuHyQuMtK8huSbdln-4ZH-eJxMgAiiSvOSWJ8bZo4ACyvFIeydy2NY71SM02slKr8o_H489__Be8/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(9)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFlnrZFX7Z1IEuIkrcXSIwNAXdgtiesrmn4ePvNwFhIdFNAs6CwAdaPOjxDL2cstR7ZqLxiJYsRGleHzc0Z04vbcb036RQuEUghZQ0S0V3srmGiUI81EWyJLEeTCelKRJX3ujjfGaQhez_gGeZ8_S6_uM6kfyktFyeRloIxRrXtrDJwz9RtVTqUMUo3-8/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(10)%20ACR%20color.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFlnrZFX7Z1IEuIkrcXSIwNAXdgtiesrmn4ePvNwFhIdFNAs6CwAdaPOjxDL2cstR7ZqLxiJYsRGleHzc0Z04vbcb036RQuEUghZQ0S0V3srmGiUI81EWyJLEeTCelKRJX3ujjfGaQhez_gGeZ8_S6_uM6kfyktFyeRloIxRrXtrDJwz9RtVTqUMUo3-8/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(10)%20ACR%20color.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEim7jku40-wDvvzCqVeaxm_N9arycovouYKAOIFdbguowPD_haek3dTZmsboCwzIL1_Dlf-rMHhQwP6g75rN-xaWEatt8D7Nmrg7MR-VWX3SeLcREheWWSVH9vi0uC21yvg7JvHkVron8WxCerPrv0vpfl1KhV7GZ7Q9WYrrI8Rgms-VQ_hJEf0GFIouCo/s4032/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(18).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEim7jku40-wDvvzCqVeaxm_N9arycovouYKAOIFdbguowPD_haek3dTZmsboCwzIL1_Dlf-rMHhQwP6g75rN-xaWEatt8D7Nmrg7MR-VWX3SeLcREheWWSVH9vi0uC21yvg7JvHkVron8WxCerPrv0vpfl1KhV7GZ7Q9WYrrI8Rgms-VQ_hJEf0GFIouCo/s320/Coins%201%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(18).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJwQoiWEpVxMkVBX-u-H_Ap5fDqAw4weDNAvqYDdC18FI1RflCSOpwVDPv7KVtaS65rKdfSXp936xSwGexOfeRim72_dinO_xQdUkXXqDV2-5INCQyMXDh_1wRf_usEqNdNVHHdREEmr0gZfTy6eW9rTnLtG3eYrG5v8QYafBv-gQQ5eG7e6F9cL6cd1w/s3955/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(10).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2966" data-original-width="3955" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJwQoiWEpVxMkVBX-u-H_Ap5fDqAw4weDNAvqYDdC18FI1RflCSOpwVDPv7KVtaS65rKdfSXp936xSwGexOfeRim72_dinO_xQdUkXXqDV2-5INCQyMXDh_1wRf_usEqNdNVHHdREEmr0gZfTy6eW9rTnLtG3eYrG5v8QYafBv-gQQ5eG7e6F9cL6cd1w/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(10).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidMaPFOM_EKVLPpQOVXgsLpjPoNYE4b3SZGfXCZVb-Pn_d3tezWX9aGkG62d1K3OmCpLtn9DKT-bttr8F6w-UehSsQvwpiWaulhBZ3oaUGGB-o9Yo72GN9pQWgZL69YbOXGiMT8BpXjzx169CEdj5H4yZcVG6k7mGVySOIFkETJOQMOUAP6_vY_VbbofU/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(11).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidMaPFOM_EKVLPpQOVXgsLpjPoNYE4b3SZGfXCZVb-Pn_d3tezWX9aGkG62d1K3OmCpLtn9DKT-bttr8F6w-UehSsQvwpiWaulhBZ3oaUGGB-o9Yo72GN9pQWgZL69YbOXGiMT8BpXjzx169CEdj5H4yZcVG6k7mGVySOIFkETJOQMOUAP6_vY_VbbofU/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(11).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQOH9t1HYZL-9UFZYCroGxOU2zkSw7J4VNBmM7IoQyFazzHpW9_08ky1rzHJmOpSiRiZ3P8xT7S6T8fvT_iAZ8RbaaYN-APhWLZwkw-r0ISggNXWYPWer2fJoGWFSlRL9t5V4CL-QXyPlngFWrIkRc_E4bU69wokWgCjrZ8P7oi4AEeXd2HII3XmFnscw/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(13).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQOH9t1HYZL-9UFZYCroGxOU2zkSw7J4VNBmM7IoQyFazzHpW9_08ky1rzHJmOpSiRiZ3P8xT7S6T8fvT_iAZ8RbaaYN-APhWLZwkw-r0ISggNXWYPWer2fJoGWFSlRL9t5V4CL-QXyPlngFWrIkRc_E4bU69wokWgCjrZ8P7oi4AEeXd2HII3XmFnscw/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(13).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj34G206dt6xCHMTUPRH1ZXnnGfsn-_M7XOhfFX9SNnxp-2Oc_D1XoLRAOzvWwYz973Orxqoy1ike4zXHf8w5rZAv8nPgi0wuBKwBXUdBOp8bkrSxF0fZxop0XN33FiJWnsEbWOKN10_to3-Qiqgm39_VXaJhXLAwH10J2vXz_juPRTcdXbZ129_seiWSA/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(14).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj34G206dt6xCHMTUPRH1ZXnnGfsn-_M7XOhfFX9SNnxp-2Oc_D1XoLRAOzvWwYz973Orxqoy1ike4zXHf8w5rZAv8nPgi0wuBKwBXUdBOp8bkrSxF0fZxop0XN33FiJWnsEbWOKN10_to3-Qiqgm39_VXaJhXLAwH10J2vXz_juPRTcdXbZ129_seiWSA/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(14).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhkTulkQ5aI8jLkmueCZ3Detd3pqG-XKmbqxWe3k-RsjwteqeTnSM0fYmIfPPN-xlF-5vpDo1oOmT_V4y4rPh5MztFvGgqumLDMh2GFILjXZ7bWfW6FORNmyLYYj33PY_MMweou2KJI8WTv1jfPCRvcR-ty0NaKFlxs05VrKXfdLX9EA2lVs8g6lj8j18Q/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(15).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhkTulkQ5aI8jLkmueCZ3Detd3pqG-XKmbqxWe3k-RsjwteqeTnSM0fYmIfPPN-xlF-5vpDo1oOmT_V4y4rPh5MztFvGgqumLDMh2GFILjXZ7bWfW6FORNmyLYYj33PY_MMweou2KJI8WTv1jfPCRvcR-ty0NaKFlxs05VrKXfdLX9EA2lVs8g6lj8j18Q/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(15).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhP2jTWRqllmf8rBEnvq_1P8yaigjhjiU7V-N3NvWEbx8qDgduPaSV24xZPYqYlhZrlTcgXzHBO5mvu7smT6ALlP2bjSKVv1GUKtVLhfjV8Pz3usjp1qKb9Q6hP6yq7tX9gPL9o6WLqwTWEl1nb-5VBvJ65Nsm7yUFvm2Hw_tTDZqj6uAUUPZ5uLvrKIJ8/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(16).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhP2jTWRqllmf8rBEnvq_1P8yaigjhjiU7V-N3NvWEbx8qDgduPaSV24xZPYqYlhZrlTcgXzHBO5mvu7smT6ALlP2bjSKVv1GUKtVLhfjV8Pz3usjp1qKb9Q6hP6yq7tX9gPL9o6WLqwTWEl1nb-5VBvJ65Nsm7yUFvm2Hw_tTDZqj6uAUUPZ5uLvrKIJ8/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(16).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpbNHWQAMB7Np7XzqpxIbO0s8R_drBIU0CQcCSWYETq0D4ItGONQ3z-OTVdc87eqlm_3t_PJxbUNPGwldOd5rw_FgJP_6GMtcifIPd_vrUIr6bYvz4TsMyx8QUy_8NrzKHyV9Yr2sTdh4EWC6a2Syj8ks9kEF1sj601hHKUaB_rRzSglCNRXlMO5zwU84/s4032/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(18).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpbNHWQAMB7Np7XzqpxIbO0s8R_drBIU0CQcCSWYETq0D4ItGONQ3z-OTVdc87eqlm_3t_PJxbUNPGwldOd5rw_FgJP_6GMtcifIPd_vrUIr6bYvz4TsMyx8QUy_8NrzKHyV9Yr2sTdh4EWC6a2Syj8ks9kEF1sj601hHKUaB_rRzSglCNRXlMO5zwU84/s320/Coins%202%20bracelet%20gold%207th%20C%20(18).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">7th century CE coin bracelet depicting eastern Roman emperors including Phocas and Heraclius photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The dating of Byzantine jewelry is difficult, but in this case there are two clues. One is the reigns of the emperors named on the coins, Maurice Tiberius (582–602), Phokas (602–10), and Herakleios (610–41), which indicate that the earliest possible date is 610, the accession of Herakleios. The other clue is technical. Both the construction of the hoops of tubular gold decorated with tiny rows of beading, as well as the use of trefoils to fill the gaps between the coins, are known from other seventh-century gold objects believed to have come from Antinoe in Egypt. If this is true, the bracelets probably date before 640, when Arab rule began asserting itself."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-38917560390792499812024-01-29T11:27:00.000-08:002024-01-29T11:27:11.760-08:00 The emergence of Roman marriage rings in the 4th-7th centuries CE<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. has an interesting collection of Roman marriage rings that began to appear in the 4th century CE. The curators point out, "Marriage rings, embellished with busts of couples and inscriptions, are known in both Roman and early Byzantine society. No documents survive that describe how, or whether, they were used in the wedding ceremony, but gold, silver, and bronze examples testify that they were </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">widespread in both the eastern and western halves of the Roman Empire. Such rings can be dated from the fourth through the seventh century."</span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgU7kSSabQ1LmP59nHYM2D-gQjB2AYIcHqmw0gaT6SOjNYGtUGatNPFtP6FkEYCyX5rZjltCBxNkC4xbDhBqh9_aVbEulXbzvoT1Z_Rq-mZlHDqXn-L7qW9k-8pCWevMZz7Xym-GzoN69-x9Pfbgvs4sczW52KWknj_zUSaeQmARQJ4zGeG9B-iXZDB2Rk/s4032/Marriage%20ring%20Gold%20niello%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%206th-7th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20BR%20SHRP%20TACK.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgU7kSSabQ1LmP59nHYM2D-gQjB2AYIcHqmw0gaT6SOjNYGtUGatNPFtP6FkEYCyX5rZjltCBxNkC4xbDhBqh9_aVbEulXbzvoT1Z_Rq-mZlHDqXn-L7qW9k-8pCWevMZz7Xym-GzoN69-x9Pfbgvs4sczW52KWknj_zUSaeQmARQJ4zGeG9B-iXZDB2Rk/s320/Marriage%20ring%20Gold%20niello%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%206th-7th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20BR%20SHRP%20TACK.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Marriage Ring 6th-7th century CE Eastern Mediterranean photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj5xsq0yb-qyviAgW_JUxVqsnzcxrAmj2LEs54Zj5rSFo6uIlZyGVPSKSxgESvkP1porTtx0FgAH_CrovJOqVR_mkOsmlAWIfw6KQeAYosm4s3ixH9ptN-xt2xcx6PfIMpdFIMi17n_oHp8gUWOVRLth2N3JE85_ql61ZoNjyFuZvRkqPEFQxBoiQdf6U/s1893/Early%20Marriage%20Ring%20late%204th-5th%20century%20gold%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1229" data-original-width="1893" height="208" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj5xsq0yb-qyviAgW_JUxVqsnzcxrAmj2LEs54Zj5rSFo6uIlZyGVPSKSxgESvkP1porTtx0FgAH_CrovJOqVR_mkOsmlAWIfw6KQeAYosm4s3ixH9ptN-xt2xcx6PfIMpdFIMi17n_oHp8gUWOVRLth2N3JE85_ql61ZoNjyFuZvRkqPEFQxBoiQdf6U/s320/Early%20Marriage%20Ring%20late%204th-5th%20century%20gold%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">(My Favorite) Early Marriage Ring late 4th-5th century gold Roman also used as seal ring. Image courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkSa5fM0wTROecci8kkCiduNLOHgF4xqtpip7X2Po6sQmsunOsEgfM41bQKDWZIA_vbWvASXSTnXIOsUJZWaCs8lpX7hIRs0dQwo3-Qhli_pTU7_0zSj42qDMFbCxDq_bfePNXu4H7KGndAtqQRfVQ7KpdZFIG6LS79EtVZaFm2HEGtL4o_yU5rokYgKI/s811/Gold%20Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20CE%20Roman%20(3).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="637" data-original-width="811" height="251" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkSa5fM0wTROecci8kkCiduNLOHgF4xqtpip7X2Po6sQmsunOsEgfM41bQKDWZIA_vbWvASXSTnXIOsUJZWaCs8lpX7hIRs0dQwo3-Qhli_pTU7_0zSj42qDMFbCxDq_bfePNXu4H7KGndAtqQRfVQ7KpdZFIG6LS79EtVZaFm2HEGtL4o_yU5rokYgKI/s320/Gold%20Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20CE%20Roman%20(3).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Gold Marriage Ring 6th-7th century CE gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_0jRUF8hlx6qZeSpH8prfjO_so4UXHVIofwVMjcX1sTv974KSA6MVrsfWiK0d-o_lz_WUz0aH4_wKmpA1aaoDtw_3eIebBiWObmoLL5BpPaBrWB20wkw8kGYZb0bE_ZXD7gUvjFXOn6Ibq1nr7lJKWPUX0Y0vzxZmn3p-ucczwItr2kDBswGnpzDs6R4/s2620/Marriage%20Ring%206th%20century%20gold%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="2620" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_0jRUF8hlx6qZeSpH8prfjO_so4UXHVIofwVMjcX1sTv974KSA6MVrsfWiK0d-o_lz_WUz0aH4_wKmpA1aaoDtw_3eIebBiWObmoLL5BpPaBrWB20wkw8kGYZb0bE_ZXD7gUvjFXOn6Ibq1nr7lJKWPUX0Y0vzxZmn3p-ucczwItr2kDBswGnpzDs6R4/s320/Marriage%20Ring%206th%20century%20gold%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring 6th century gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrTMEs0AxzzDgH6wNPmOvD905tnJMAA6VazWixxfYyLnfvn1aoduNb-DH5_XQF4ydxHnz0R5QjGZBv2ao19L-P-yFh_GXTt1Mb4t0RVeDHbSgbCrlqEaFVA7ROVWZ6QLM58iUg3Kv7ZX5tRZgCgSMUygy1mi3EhGZysF_15lK15S4bZkcDdP7zmFwP5ow/s989/Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20(2)%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="635" data-original-width="989" height="205" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrTMEs0AxzzDgH6wNPmOvD905tnJMAA6VazWixxfYyLnfvn1aoduNb-DH5_XQF4ydxHnz0R5QjGZBv2ao19L-P-yFh_GXTt1Mb4t0RVeDHbSgbCrlqEaFVA7ROVWZ6QLM58iUg3Kv7ZX5tRZgCgSMUygy1mi3EhGZysF_15lK15S4bZkcDdP7zmFwP5ow/s320/Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20(2)%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring 6th-7th century gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOqYucwimxwt_jKcxcn8P4JuIwxvf7iwW6_9eJa-HVAPZPqne7w4uxkOK4ZjdBzj9H33jcBDVr28JWXvvUaQWaN6JOWPWI6Gwa9BQKVg6_lzGfcVbGvX2ZfBxBTwz1XnZ1rTCXhyLGXL9NqduYMcJNFYxH1lZOdj-qcZs3PWa1CADUFvqapBVLAsorpJw/s3393/Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2058" data-original-width="3393" height="194" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOqYucwimxwt_jKcxcn8P4JuIwxvf7iwW6_9eJa-HVAPZPqne7w4uxkOK4ZjdBzj9H33jcBDVr28JWXvvUaQWaN6JOWPWI6Gwa9BQKVg6_lzGfcVbGvX2ZfBxBTwz1XnZ1rTCXhyLGXL9NqduYMcJNFYxH1lZOdj-qcZs3PWa1CADUFvqapBVLAsorpJw/s320/Marriage%20Ring%206th-7th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring 6th-7th century CE gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJPBjws4d7TAhSQ9cv4Q3MccrubaXhZdBMnL3mawP_DGF-8APlDxavxNZvhite8ZzAQ-qPP0G-9vC0dv85kluKhsnicYOsxITvvVBn8o3dwTqEiYMpKib4ady_6QmhCJ5nYb9RDBgkF7bvyWODtL0xSximAYjPjaHkRNduwy4-l2d423BsNvDy9vQAT18/s429/Marriage%20Ring%20early%207th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="366" data-original-width="429" height="273" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJPBjws4d7TAhSQ9cv4Q3MccrubaXhZdBMnL3mawP_DGF-8APlDxavxNZvhite8ZzAQ-qPP0G-9vC0dv85kluKhsnicYOsxITvvVBn8o3dwTqEiYMpKib4ady_6QmhCJ5nYb9RDBgkF7bvyWODtL0xSximAYjPjaHkRNduwy4-l2d423BsNvDy9vQAT18/s320/Marriage%20Ring%20early%207th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring early 7th century CE Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_5sOL4h279rdDvxYYd3s97rv7yqo0GPbLX9re8kon1zI9oCwdeM40Pfdh020FCFIz0tKxhqCIiBA8PVGkPkJYiUwCoQdm-EmVjK3EtlHCSU8iZkR95hw08JjF4TqVtk4shtA-3uJWTHSzMpdBDB_7pLrLl6w4gSMYe_1IAgU3fhttmvcB_dGtskH0vdc/s737/Marriage%20Ring%20late%204th-early%205th%20century%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="737" data-original-width="643" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_5sOL4h279rdDvxYYd3s97rv7yqo0GPbLX9re8kon1zI9oCwdeM40Pfdh020FCFIz0tKxhqCIiBA8PVGkPkJYiUwCoQdm-EmVjK3EtlHCSU8iZkR95hw08JjF4TqVtk4shtA-3uJWTHSzMpdBDB_7pLrLl6w4gSMYe_1IAgU3fhttmvcB_dGtskH0vdc/s320/Marriage%20Ring%20late%204th-early%205th%20century%20Roman.jpg" width="279" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring late 4th-early 5th century gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSRLV0WzdpxmGqWI01pHS9P9uqDdMIlpOM9CXH3ItoMWeR22OmvuBrthEX6PxyscTtp2hH42ywqJ4Ahyphenhyphen1849d5_CLfYpM1aZjm8PCXrx0nNq1trw3kXb5EUnKfJQH7IOu6OaisRTOIZ4ifWWhyphenhyphenR_e8a0rB368d2lTzvh-Cp7QmBtDbyKXxS39ueBFttKA/s867/Marriage%20Ring%20late%206th-7th%20century%20Roman%20(4).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="634" data-original-width="867" height="234" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSRLV0WzdpxmGqWI01pHS9P9uqDdMIlpOM9CXH3ItoMWeR22OmvuBrthEX6PxyscTtp2hH42ywqJ4Ahyphenhyphen1849d5_CLfYpM1aZjm8PCXrx0nNq1trw3kXb5EUnKfJQH7IOu6OaisRTOIZ4ifWWhyphenhyphenR_e8a0rB368d2lTzvh-Cp7QmBtDbyKXxS39ueBFttKA/s320/Marriage%20Ring%20late%206th-7th%20century%20Roman%20(4).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring late 6th-7th century gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQgzz0qJxnhECRyMvzuND_ICotS6HN-0mRzo7rIt-aBi04iGyZ0sSJoksCFB-wHZdzy-xkwtwDw4lCv73D_zCPPH4iQhTHOntm4IpKnX1KDdkp8cri9K_7_vgTeI5DVyqIlyre5Y8v57j7zMwrnu5Tt1DpUpeGATdOu8dN8u_Kqs1PRDVq2p9u5gPOK4g/s465/Marrriage%20Ring%20from%20Constantinople%20late%204th-early%205th%20century.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="401" data-original-width="465" height="276" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQgzz0qJxnhECRyMvzuND_ICotS6HN-0mRzo7rIt-aBi04iGyZ0sSJoksCFB-wHZdzy-xkwtwDw4lCv73D_zCPPH4iQhTHOntm4IpKnX1KDdkp8cri9K_7_vgTeI5DVyqIlyre5Y8v57j7zMwrnu5Tt1DpUpeGATdOu8dN8u_Kqs1PRDVq2p9u5gPOK4g/s320/Marrriage%20Ring%20from%20Constantinople%20late%204th-early%205th%20century.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Marriage Ring late 4th-early 5th century gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum<br /><br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmGr_j51N7m2KlSSalV03G1QjlVbhl7iMChb7HThksrp4I0NfUSYX6uSgQtO0aHPlOQ3H7PEGWsi2DJPJj_ZqrUbdz2b5xxiQJJegP0jQ5H-RwKTmMatFTjst3hvfkwliB3K1ubU-CzmwtRfxFxY7gLrGGnqI9Dfh8_nZ79k4u4YESgxCYHU2YAcjkpZw/s2687/Octagonal%20Marriage%20Ring%20with%20Holy%20Site%20Scenes%207th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="2687" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmGr_j51N7m2KlSSalV03G1QjlVbhl7iMChb7HThksrp4I0NfUSYX6uSgQtO0aHPlOQ3H7PEGWsi2DJPJj_ZqrUbdz2b5xxiQJJegP0jQ5H-RwKTmMatFTjst3hvfkwliB3K1ubU-CzmwtRfxFxY7gLrGGnqI9Dfh8_nZ79k4u4YESgxCYHU2YAcjkpZw/s320/Octagonal%20Marriage%20Ring%20with%20Holy%20Site%20Scenes%207th%20century%20CE%20Roman.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Octagonal Marriage Ring with Holy Site Scenes 7th century CE gold Roman courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Hairstyles and the size of the crosses are used to date these pieces. A modest cross places a ring at an early stage of development of marriage rings, the later ones usually having larger crosses and often the figure of Christ between bride and groom. </span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard about earlier symbolic jewelry used in Roman weddings and it responded with:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"There's no concrete evidence that marriage rings as we know them today were used in Roman weddings before the 4th century CE. However, the concept of an exchanged token symbolizing a marital bond did exist, albeit in different forms:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Engagement rings (annuli pronubi): While not exactly wedding rings, simple iron rings were exchanged during a pre-wedding ceremony called sponsalia. These symbolized a formal betrothal commitment, often made years before the actual wedding.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Hand-joining (dextrarum iunctio): During the wedding ceremony itself, the couple's right hands were formally joined together, representing the physical and symbolic union of their lives. This practice was considered the central act of the ceremony and held more significance than any object exchange.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emergence of gold rings: While iron rings dominated for centuries, gold rings gradually gained popularity throughout the 2nd and 3rd centuries CE, especially among wealthier classes. These rings, though still not universally associated with weddings, served as more ostentatious symbols of commitment and wealth.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that archaeological evidence for actual wedding rings from this period is scarce. Most of our knowledge comes from literary sources and artistic representations, which often depict symbolic imagery rather than specific objects.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's a timeline summarizing the key points:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Before 4th century CE:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">No evidence of wedding rings used in ceremonies.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Engagement rings (iron) used in pre-wedding ceremony (sponsalia).</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Hand-joining (dextrarum iunctio) the central act of the wedding ceremony.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4th century CE onward:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gold rings become more common, especially among the wealthy.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rings still not definitively associated with weddings but may have served as additional symbols of commitment and wealth.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, while marriage rings weren't a prevalent custom in Roman weddings before the 4th century CE, the seeds of the tradition were certainly sown through engagement rings and symbolic hand-joining ceremonies. The shift towards gold rings and their increasing association with weddings laid the groundwork for the practice we know today."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-3995635387050724402024-01-10T11:42:00.000-08:002024-01-10T11:44:00.867-08:00Frescos in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto in Pompeii<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I have been working on images of frescos from the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto in Pompeii (V 4,a) and this morning I finished uploading the images to Wikimedia Commons:</span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Roman_frescos_in_the_Casa_di_Marco_Lucrezio_Frontone_(Pompeii)?fbclid=IwAR3UiokWQLslAnWEarik5q3Tyl601C_wOXyrEgzlIq-vpiJNVmZAZnH0830" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/.../Category:Ancient_Roman...</a></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The <span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span>images in the category are arranged by File Description. All of those i uploaded begin with "House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto" and there are dozens of them. I was amazed at the quality of preservation of the frescos in this house. The house was initially excavated between 1899-1900 then again from 1972-1974. The name of the structure was derived from electoral inscription found on the façade of the house promoting the magistrate Marcus Lucretius Fronto. The home, although relatively modest in size, is decorated with Third Style paintings characterized by ornate frameworks of pseudo-architectural elements that enclose central panel paintings illustrating the myths of Narcissus, Bacchus and Ariadne, the love between Mars and Venus, Ariadne giving Theseus the ball of thread to help him escape the labyrinth, and Orestes killing Neoptolemus on the altar of Apollo, a scene from Euripedes' tragedy "Andromache."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgRVCJquMmhpiWtCZFJ1tpuw2IMPQGmH3FkUjH1jJpF1iBKUOa-H6lzNpqKd6DJLVwLnxZLPRwuixGhKxn7GqaGn3hXLZHvMryG6QZ_U3BKwCL1N4MDZ61C_PjwYb_zc84OT2URgXovWT3Xk4cRTt5ChRzkMTOF7N8p6EYih7MvKOYMO7YEP4jDX6DP0ZI/s944/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202005%20Room%20'i',%20north%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20with%20center%20wall%20painting%20of%20Narcissus%20at%20the%20fountain%20courtesy%20of%20PiP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="730" data-original-width="944" height="247" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgRVCJquMmhpiWtCZFJ1tpuw2IMPQGmH3FkUjH1jJpF1iBKUOa-H6lzNpqKd6DJLVwLnxZLPRwuixGhKxn7GqaGn3hXLZHvMryG6QZ_U3BKwCL1N4MDZ61C_PjwYb_zc84OT2URgXovWT3Xk4cRTt5ChRzkMTOF7N8p6EYih7MvKOYMO7YEP4jDX6DP0ZI/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202005%20Room%20'i',%20north%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20with%20center%20wall%20painting%20of%20Narcissus%20at%20the%20fountain%20courtesy%20of%20PiP.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2005 Room 'i', north wall of cubiculum, with center wall painting of Narcissus at the fountain courtesy of pompeiiinpictures</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvakOuYww_ZkpFEofdEahZ-baULvJrXwssFh8r_IUrHLR9lzo8iKSaOkpqMVeFWN2k_Ch8y54YqVq0xlUbKcV4HFcXDubMf911Bhqp7oza41VHBYKg1IXykuJd8BDtfovPZxQfZ7N14SGvzTul3N2TBjyFH3DpXgHm9P2cGaCcoy455k6ObgY9pz_jneI/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202010%20Room%20'i',%20wall%20painting%20of%20girl%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20on%20south%20side%20of%20doorway%20courtesy%20of%20Michael%20Binns.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="685" data-original-width="1024" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvakOuYww_ZkpFEofdEahZ-baULvJrXwssFh8r_IUrHLR9lzo8iKSaOkpqMVeFWN2k_Ch8y54YqVq0xlUbKcV4HFcXDubMf911Bhqp7oza41VHBYKg1IXykuJd8BDtfovPZxQfZ7N14SGvzTul3N2TBjyFH3DpXgHm9P2cGaCcoy455k6ObgY9pz_jneI/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202010%20Room%20'i',%20wall%20painting%20of%20girl%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum,%20on%20south%20side%20of%20doorway%20courtesy%20of%20Michael%20Binns.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2010 Room 'i', wall painting of girl from west wall of cubiculum, on south side of doorway courtesy of Michael Binns</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrJ_0kQsNvjtpT65r9CDoDb3CBeB0Gpt4pE62inmxK2Bdn_b6FOcJ8HL-IljKNWEamcOEFkupxY2smgqYdMg_ra4hhsiNIO_OqsLA0eAwghGh2X9vcT-brfGyQEA2BJxTT1BGlzIwj5wG-tlt9-FP_sTDtr1kXus_LEb4QrqC5TnoGCir0kw6cohzWtrI/s999/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20'i',%20wall%20painting%20of%20boy%20with%20the%20attributes%20of%20Mercury%20(winged%20helmet%20and%20caduceus),%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20courtesy%20of%20PiP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="750" data-original-width="999" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrJ_0kQsNvjtpT65r9CDoDb3CBeB0Gpt4pE62inmxK2Bdn_b6FOcJ8HL-IljKNWEamcOEFkupxY2smgqYdMg_ra4hhsiNIO_OqsLA0eAwghGh2X9vcT-brfGyQEA2BJxTT1BGlzIwj5wG-tlt9-FP_sTDtr1kXus_LEb4QrqC5TnoGCir0kw6cohzWtrI/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20'i',%20wall%20painting%20of%20boy%20with%20the%20attributes%20of%20Mercury%20(winged%20helmet%20and%20caduceus),%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20courtesy%20of%20PiP.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2015 Room 'i', wall painting of boy with the attributes of Mercury (winged helmet and caduceus), from west wall of cubiculum courtesy of pompeiiinpictures</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirVkMJ_cxJqpS39lj9GxGaq8TOfhyyP2uJ6odot90H55IIWy8MfWlW2UzmtAnKrlDB1X2vRIC6z5groUNOpwH9lD0RhC3_Zq2hD0_nG30Pail69poaMo0BAWBv0j8ff5h4tepx5d0dHr9kvxdEBvt9eXBexxxi9-8sTfxtxUg3zrLuSDk4a8eXF43K5Fc/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="769" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirVkMJ_cxJqpS39lj9GxGaq8TOfhyyP2uJ6odot90H55IIWy8MfWlW2UzmtAnKrlDB1X2vRIC6z5groUNOpwH9lD0RhC3_Zq2hD0_nG30Pail69poaMo0BAWBv0j8ff5h4tepx5d0dHr9kvxdEBvt9eXBexxxi9-8sTfxtxUg3zrLuSDk4a8eXF43K5Fc/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2015 Room ‘h’, Detail from central panel on north wall courtesy of Buzz Ferebee</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV7zF2iVNX2nA7UM6yw9ovc_a9IPicH8J6VIqK4yWdqy4cIR1yhaF5Qtfb4OaW5kQb0MyH6rHYQz7JZzwY-IonbqO1orUyuaFbzhI959FWKusrvdEjkAF12vV9TAkRU6mslSfdD_6Djn1MbHv2ylL0s1WFjUqg7D9RVLVXf45FkXTc94IwDpDIwvxHkdw/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="769" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV7zF2iVNX2nA7UM6yw9ovc_a9IPicH8J6VIqK4yWdqy4cIR1yhaF5Qtfb4OaW5kQb0MyH6rHYQz7JZzwY-IonbqO1orUyuaFbzhI959FWKusrvdEjkAF12vV9TAkRU6mslSfdD_6Djn1MbHv2ylL0s1WFjUqg7D9RVLVXf45FkXTc94IwDpDIwvxHkdw/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2015 Room ‘h’, Detail from central panel on north wall courtesy of Buzz Ferebee</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdEXAGHwiQHl5c8J-3fGgqXoHRH__obS9eTAtDSOMSHdAseZTCm9Sei7pR-244GxSCsO6stOCX6DyGC_1YQqrPzEtE6-SnnFACeiuHQkAtpdDENxq-uYhhxWQn_ynZokRExRKdGGjkL7-cVFnjvf_wjV3_gOR8QhAgqYu3vkE3tSbUxSnZhG-qHr4uigU/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20wall%20painting%20on%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="769" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdEXAGHwiQHl5c8J-3fGgqXoHRH__obS9eTAtDSOMSHdAseZTCm9Sei7pR-244GxSCsO6stOCX6DyGC_1YQqrPzEtE6-SnnFACeiuHQkAtpdDENxq-uYhhxWQn_ynZokRExRKdGGjkL7-cVFnjvf_wjV3_gOR8QhAgqYu3vkE3tSbUxSnZhG-qHr4uigU/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20wall%20painting%20on%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2015 Room ‘h’, Detail from central wall painting on north wall of tablinum courtesy of Buzz Ferebee</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEji2xb3kPlWMRzDZUJr1I_uupkLCPi4lHlH5hs1UjebFLYABnD2MTfw9gHrkiEgGcK8cn10-TD47KNzpfAaN4V070fKT6lDhyphenhyphenBfu4YCkOPJ6uwZLHYa8Jb3I96CcIRsBkSm6PtfefefMtX1gQxtk7H6uURjXKEgZbDqq07evzvUFYTkSZJJxs_oDGEqbMs/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20wall%20painting%20on%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(2)%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="769" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEji2xb3kPlWMRzDZUJr1I_uupkLCPi4lHlH5hs1UjebFLYABnD2MTfw9gHrkiEgGcK8cn10-TD47KNzpfAaN4V070fKT6lDhyphenhyphenBfu4YCkOPJ6uwZLHYa8Jb3I96CcIRsBkSm6PtfefefMtX1gQxtk7H6uURjXKEgZbDqq07evzvUFYTkSZJJxs_oDGEqbMs/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202015%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20Detail%20from%20central%20wall%20painting%20on%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(2)%20%20courtesy%20of%20Buzz%20Ferebee.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2015 Room ‘h’, Detail from central wall painting on north wall of tablinum (2) courtesy of Buzz Ferebee</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCHFZ0njn99EFJ9ryFfaeCuzNzUYPrsKSlxFqwE5HhcpbcJMVHSk9sx8wrLeSggTmnwAgJ-F0UANGsMjqxgzSdjbUkb1PvI_3MpedvXsE2e4mYhJV2MZwu_5dGljnkA1EUPE_m8coYePIMZyII_U1PAdNF1QQhWwJWD8a-AwxrnDht-M0p4Ppoy1Kz5n4/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20central%20red%20panel%20with%20wall%20painting%20of%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne%20riding%20on%20a%20chariot%20drawn%20by%20two%20oxen%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="684" data-original-width="1024" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCHFZ0njn99EFJ9ryFfaeCuzNzUYPrsKSlxFqwE5HhcpbcJMVHSk9sx8wrLeSggTmnwAgJ-F0UANGsMjqxgzSdjbUkb1PvI_3MpedvXsE2e4mYhJV2MZwu_5dGljnkA1EUPE_m8coYePIMZyII_U1PAdNF1QQhWwJWD8a-AwxrnDht-M0p4Ppoy1Kz5n4/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20central%20red%20panel%20with%20wall%20painting%20of%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne%20riding%20on%20a%20chariot%20drawn%20by%20two%20oxen%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKQkuhKLmvO4AeH6_BXS8Hyfl7rlmYaOwKMk0mS_w8fy_XHPd-rWorKFtv8Q0WkoyzuUA5ovZ2yTBw0S2MhOkjo9OZI6EQEdtFj2m1_9cs9W2wC_Rv1oRFc2TpcKTPd8FDpkFtuz0YI3BIwnUQ8ZvqkWf5K21W143eBnEgSn0z2_6QL2xYtb4PGAaCAXo/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(2)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKQkuhKLmvO4AeH6_BXS8Hyfl7rlmYaOwKMk0mS_w8fy_XHPd-rWorKFtv8Q0WkoyzuUA5ovZ2yTBw0S2MhOkjo9OZI6EQEdtFj2m1_9cs9W2wC_Rv1oRFc2TpcKTPd8FDpkFtuz0YI3BIwnUQ8ZvqkWf5K21W143eBnEgSn0z2_6QL2xYtb4PGAaCAXo/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(2)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnGhC2_7T9wjVVEuCCT30HmbSbOQIcXiIfGDjoatPCqhyphenhyphennRufJAmUV_S4UmCgHF4IemKglUp1ebCHhQWTbb412Kk_ajM6FBSP7N_DUQ8wDOq1vetDzu3TfhiINXpt6pKhMJvJaxBNd260QShLjo2OppAXbO7N4J8IeAfRuf1wqaiW5hM-eJ76SfegvAO4/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(3)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnGhC2_7T9wjVVEuCCT30HmbSbOQIcXiIfGDjoatPCqhyphenhyphennRufJAmUV_S4UmCgHF4IemKglUp1ebCHhQWTbb412Kk_ajM6FBSP7N_DUQ8wDOq1vetDzu3TfhiINXpt6pKhMJvJaxBNd260QShLjo2OppAXbO7N4J8IeAfRuf1wqaiW5hM-eJ76SfegvAO4/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(3)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhx2sM7v4b5mfkHBzkhPFEe8r4WYQEmH8jRjTxRlggwYn7t85lm4JXouME3n_zSKjVD8R340cXbA93OBUw9cbpC6cIiJiY-Hnt4XxMWOJhTB3v7UfkcVYQjdMERaVaEv8zYJ3ZZVZ-39qZu4pMbcuhEO9MZbZdfdtUErMFswJNQ8EDFtWecmX-6zdvk1a8/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(4)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhx2sM7v4b5mfkHBzkhPFEe8r4WYQEmH8jRjTxRlggwYn7t85lm4JXouME3n_zSKjVD8R340cXbA93OBUw9cbpC6cIiJiY-Hnt4XxMWOJhTB3v7UfkcVYQjdMERaVaEv8zYJ3ZZVZ-39qZu4pMbcuhEO9MZbZdfdtUErMFswJNQ8EDFtWecmX-6zdvk1a8/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(4)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikXhpFODbYZU_kUYRo5Ikcqj4vd1ZFv0oEEDhjblPiPVp_InXKNRh1ao5B2KK9-_N-aJ4JpEPmOprnHttJtXn1lu1R2bGwRgD2VSA2FzM7XOUUW6dy5zN7Z-FRfgeOiNbOm60FIuLnWjE4lDx2WYFD3TUykGul9Fh3camu7a-5BXCQ2DvX69vlTS2vIpo/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(5)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikXhpFODbYZU_kUYRo5Ikcqj4vd1ZFv0oEEDhjblPiPVp_InXKNRh1ao5B2KK9-_N-aJ4JpEPmOprnHttJtXn1lu1R2bGwRgD2VSA2FzM7XOUUW6dy5zN7Z-FRfgeOiNbOm60FIuLnWjE4lDx2WYFD3TUykGul9Fh3camu7a-5BXCQ2DvX69vlTS2vIpo/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20(5)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDAVY4p5WoccO1BnPxp7osRyS0Kwc1PkjNjl5FTV6m2rKD38f0vYMLPGyVJdDp-Dbk74Bvbrtl3SCYa1Gau9qWPE8LQFnn5bKul-9V_ja26VgOgk9qSwSXtkjFhF-z_BV-m_rc5Uw0XBP7QdkzqlANx4J-PHbxvojY5a8PEjGgPWRTRyljlX12-ne69yM/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDAVY4p5WoccO1BnPxp7osRyS0Kwc1PkjNjl5FTV6m2rKD38f0vYMLPGyVJdDp-Dbk74Bvbrtl3SCYa1Gau9qWPE8LQFnn5bKul-9V_ja26VgOgk9qSwSXtkjFhF-z_BV-m_rc5Uw0XBP7QdkzqlANx4J-PHbxvojY5a8PEjGgPWRTRyljlX12-ne69yM/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEius7qjO_Pqf6KyR7mPtPqsAUFka47HyI_w2wrw_U-kkECsduWzIR9ctpBbdkzyyAMTMkzg1x57N3LXPg1A51ZoH1iVkhI4D_z59ZBlxDBEMJFQaFiw1ukQzVTpup8EY1sdc8FGZ8HVYorbi-5hB657qgRGGI2Y2g0VCnkTwItIjgFFBHiRHsBeNm3AY98/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20painted%20predella%20above%20zoccolo%20on%20north%20wall%20at%20west%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEius7qjO_Pqf6KyR7mPtPqsAUFka47HyI_w2wrw_U-kkECsduWzIR9ctpBbdkzyyAMTMkzg1x57N3LXPg1A51ZoH1iVkhI4D_z59ZBlxDBEMJFQaFiw1ukQzVTpup8EY1sdc8FGZ8HVYorbi-5hB657qgRGGI2Y2g0VCnkTwItIjgFFBHiRHsBeNm3AY98/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20from%20painted%20predella%20above%20zoccolo%20on%20north%20wall%20at%20west%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from painted predella above zoccolo on north wall at west end courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqM6Py1t3yLqoqbuAPRtQPTfGlynh_FJKv350UJx5KDurQmMkvXTJtoMyjXLB_bQOb4LDt6RmEdxGNP25E62e_u5Z-6RFv2M4LgA7R1yz2qkx86D8GJTm_7HIE9Ekwy7wKBbae8Y9RSFqivyYBs3Hu3TtOpixuyE97l1iWDdi_X3Bp5_sfmEcXYrpAuCk/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20painted%20separating%20panel%20on%20east%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqM6Py1t3yLqoqbuAPRtQPTfGlynh_FJKv350UJx5KDurQmMkvXTJtoMyjXLB_bQOb4LDt6RmEdxGNP25E62e_u5Z-6RFv2M4LgA7R1yz2qkx86D8GJTm_7HIE9Ekwy7wKBbae8Y9RSFqivyYBs3Hu3TtOpixuyE97l1iWDdi_X3Bp5_sfmEcXYrpAuCk/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20painted%20separating%20panel%20on%20east%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail of painted separating panel on east end of south wall courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDps9Ry-_r53tEzg6Pvhe5rQ5JhWDIHpYLJRfnKF24GTc8aO8hkTc2CkKIjUY0owacXPOVlNflhASM0zUsOncAPzmc7_BOEE1BOs4juL-O_suvYwElxYyfVLncgbsLfDr7TzML39RYIb7XOGslEjFXNDtyb2kR-4IkWJmFF_OME814jWqGEUhzPD0mRsc/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20Silenus,%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDps9Ry-_r53tEzg6Pvhe5rQ5JhWDIHpYLJRfnKF24GTc8aO8hkTc2CkKIjUY0owacXPOVlNflhASM0zUsOncAPzmc7_BOEE1BOs4juL-O_suvYwElxYyfVLncgbsLfDr7TzML39RYIb7XOGslEjFXNDtyb2kR-4IkWJmFF_OME814jWqGEUhzPD0mRsc/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20Silenus,%20from%20central%20painting%20on%20south%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', detail from central painting on south wall of tablinum, triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqnkIFLTcGaHVpH25C0dud_WCESa2cD2tFy3Qdi0Z0Y6bQX4SGGG_KfbG_w6tdX7FZrdwbesXcXiKeaA9YaPMNA0xhInmDf7fDU3-1yscm3Y9VZ0oON4CUlcdXxoO1wlSLs2wAc61An-JfcIrDuehpHwjYYn-5q_ujoWdvVOK0Ka9zY-Mf3dDdJ-T1qCQ/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20painted%20decoration%20below%20small%20panel%20at%20west%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqnkIFLTcGaHVpH25C0dud_WCESa2cD2tFy3Qdi0Z0Y6bQX4SGGG_KfbG_w6tdX7FZrdwbesXcXiKeaA9YaPMNA0xhInmDf7fDU3-1yscm3Y9VZ0oON4CUlcdXxoO1wlSLs2wAc61An-JfcIrDuehpHwjYYn-5q_ujoWdvVOK0Ka9zY-Mf3dDdJ-T1qCQ/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20painted%20decoration%20below%20small%20panel%20at%20west%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', painted decoration below small panel at west end of south wall courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhIMVuaIgC5np1S2TZ46i74L4C764cjyCYCbP5sMWdndIF0OH-yrbgjh0R7-j19XJMG2prWfziAj8D7tBmO-vmjsZU86DRCZOLJ-P5PX_ploDsvSNaSRyt9QMsMwoco2QirC6R445ZnFAXHYmtX0u55kHe5OJVl048Shja2JHoKyVkyeN0Hg2RPQQnhk2g/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20painted%20detail%20from%20black%20side%20panel%20at%20east%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhIMVuaIgC5np1S2TZ46i74L4C764cjyCYCbP5sMWdndIF0OH-yrbgjh0R7-j19XJMG2prWfziAj8D7tBmO-vmjsZU86DRCZOLJ-P5PX_ploDsvSNaSRyt9QMsMwoco2QirC6R445ZnFAXHYmtX0u55kHe5OJVl048Shja2JHoKyVkyeN0Hg2RPQQnhk2g/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20'h',%20painted%20detail%20from%20black%20side%20panel%20at%20east%20end%20of%20south%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room 'h', painted detail from black side panel at east end of south wall courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTaiUlFwyxIxOJ4jnK1Ra6m73iGyMf8W6QaLiCNefDZIAWp73o19_ZRdLV9JymWwzysN3WNGGzgN_w1CY5ONeeZcO5tHSMplIs59hfzS0yUcMayWH2gucIiS-2648l9OrGbhZsjVHhES42oSuhemZT_oc0B2F2V578LUx8Wmeq3awAcjHWbCMYEVv7_Dg/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99,%20central%20painting%20from%20east%20walll%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTaiUlFwyxIxOJ4jnK1Ra6m73iGyMf8W6QaLiCNefDZIAWp73o19_ZRdLV9JymWwzysN3WNGGzgN_w1CY5ONeeZcO5tHSMplIs59hfzS0yUcMayWH2gucIiS-2648l9OrGbhZsjVHhES42oSuhemZT_oc0B2F2V578LUx8Wmeq3awAcjHWbCMYEVv7_Dg/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99,%20central%20painting%20from%20east%20walll%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘f’, central painting from east wall</span><br style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;" /><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">of Orestes killing Neoptolemus on the altar of Apollo courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQSW2gOYhab3SZ6XSIF6vIraksApg-8fjttLZe3A40E2-q5Bv5kU98x_eOFhNQzbQfN9ETS4fTce7oThBuAUTty-IZ7bMOKqGSIK1aAa7dpPiUwYuRMzW_61MZ3v4idlm0LtO3uM90IjgrxkLOgjE3xahjZZUYFE9jdrRTJBgLArniOhLtasGHgmDrPw0/s1024/Pompeii_-_Casa_di_Marco_Lucrezio_Frontone_-_Winter_Triclinium.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="912" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQSW2gOYhab3SZ6XSIF6vIraksApg-8fjttLZe3A40E2-q5Bv5kU98x_eOFhNQzbQfN9ETS4fTce7oThBuAUTty-IZ7bMOKqGSIK1aAa7dpPiUwYuRMzW_61MZ3v4idlm0LtO3uM90IjgrxkLOgjE3xahjZZUYFE9jdrRTJBgLArniOhLtasGHgmDrPw0/s320/Pompeii_-_Casa_di_Marco_Lucrezio_Frontone_-_Winter_Triclinium.jpg" width="285" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘f’, central painting from east wall</span><br style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;" /><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">of Orestes killing Neoptolemus on the altar of Apollo courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEit9mauXmK20C8SQ0YNnb0RfMuhRVPit7lKF30DW2va4SGR6aVqui6YQZ69dBwocJmyNKyKCSV5d54KwHvQnfzM-pZ8PdVpd2HK9iG_QLjXZbHzmi7LDQpoUPWmo92lCGJwp6S-42qFW_78M9fl42CX0qD1FOevnPIuH_GOgUc_cvYdEu5kMAAxVqiQvhk/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20from%20panel%20at%20south%20end%20of%20east%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEit9mauXmK20C8SQ0YNnb0RfMuhRVPit7lKF30DW2va4SGR6aVqui6YQZ69dBwocJmyNKyKCSV5d54KwHvQnfzM-pZ8PdVpd2HK9iG_QLjXZbHzmi7LDQpoUPWmo92lCGJwp6S-42qFW_78M9fl42CX0qD1FOevnPIuH_GOgUc_cvYdEu5kMAAxVqiQvhk/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20painted%20figure%20from%20panel%20at%20south%20end%20of%20east%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘f’, detail of painted figure from panel at south end of east wall courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDhXNV8taH-9ddO1ijDG864RgU2p5dBWvoI26FhjJO_LAtwsikmNr3A44tQJ4KyrMvHHmyOs1EtBDqeLIa7TsVPSuL3R6SSF1nHvnhSgs3pkatyYfjeu6r3KME0kZf78DfAFYQ2s2p7_na2cq1s-5tp9_ILRlbJ30a0W8ptK87zKQE5BpjpIKTckLLf7Y/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98g%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20head%20and%20body%20of%20Theseus%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDhXNV8taH-9ddO1ijDG864RgU2p5dBWvoI26FhjJO_LAtwsikmNr3A44tQJ4KyrMvHHmyOs1EtBDqeLIa7TsVPSuL3R6SSF1nHvnhSgs3pkatyYfjeu6r3KME0kZf78DfAFYQ2s2p7_na2cq1s-5tp9_ILRlbJ30a0W8ptK87zKQE5BpjpIKTckLLf7Y/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98g%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20head%20and%20body%20of%20Theseus%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘g’, detail of head and body of Theseus courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgKkam-Jh529oW89rX9f9N5Fzt2BNgce0nshmGhulswR42rwuvFW7ipxngiQI52GFavZH3QPE57X7TrLHpBrVhixxH1TmuOud7huWMIuPuNGyAVTDGChb3YCnYKICkFI6c-Tx5RzXPHjqvAOgjmCm0DzFv3ddQzDXkN5n1_jFLjmfEFqyOsNIOqSqu8T4Q/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20(2)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgKkam-Jh529oW89rX9f9N5Fzt2BNgce0nshmGhulswR42rwuvFW7ipxngiQI52GFavZH3QPE57X7TrLHpBrVhixxH1TmuOud7huWMIuPuNGyAVTDGChb3YCnYKICkFI6c-Tx5RzXPHjqvAOgjmCm0DzFv3ddQzDXkN5n1_jFLjmfEFqyOsNIOqSqu8T4Q/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20(2)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘h’, detail from central panel on north wall (2) courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH2-Iag-uOie_xJsZVHUk-FQDIf8-H2yEEsNR9GN-JgPcWk_2NxygfnL__vVM_uPvjJirh_pzqbEg4_CR_i1WRfI-VBwnFvJagN10J4T2ec8ssfyH8W07uL2utm9l6WKFjP67mgM-QHHtXjQV5E8E5BEQTufEvx5GyYTPQTYeMOhA84b1xfeRSl7wIRhY/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20(3)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH2-Iag-uOie_xJsZVHUk-FQDIf8-H2yEEsNR9GN-JgPcWk_2NxygfnL__vVM_uPvjJirh_pzqbEg4_CR_i1WRfI-VBwnFvJagN10J4T2ec8ssfyH8W07uL2utm9l6WKFjP67mgM-QHHtXjQV5E8E5BEQTufEvx5GyYTPQTYeMOhA84b1xfeRSl7wIRhY/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20(3)%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘h’, detail from central panel on north wall (3) courtesy of Annette Haug</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgk02972cKxzXjV1zGzwA8UpzUEFBwmpdq3qY2iwD5b9CvvMwgytHOgyQUQAxUuoWeqrdFxaP5fkqcf1JeYLwDmEoThNbCHbAfZI9z-T2rvNf25FhrE3JMZ44cl0xwi40N5c-KNPOj9AGVqedQ0o4AURuz0qCO-seCWH6X21mQ4lMl7yZpLwPF_bmKAUko/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgk02972cKxzXjV1zGzwA8UpzUEFBwmpdq3qY2iwD5b9CvvMwgytHOgyQUQAxUuoWeqrdFxaP5fkqcf1JeYLwDmEoThNbCHbAfZI9z-T2rvNf25FhrE3JMZ44cl0xwi40N5c-KNPOj9AGVqedQ0o4AURuz0qCO-seCWH6X21mQ4lMl7yZpLwPF_bmKAUko/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20from%20central%20panel%20on%20north%20wall%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘h’, detail from central panel on north wall courtesy of Annette Haug</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZsesjrodCWLb_7U2wnFkKNieZ0uQcnhHWrEbHzhMPgQ_R3igqunS2YQxiCV3Mk1Hy2oY0d1sh7fAuI3O3mBgQlWK7gWvfrUjKcthF3fwm-yteFQZu4dad_StB-5mmrX0Us3BQAoObJoCOQ9xhkn46YeaDUZ3sLwfKTfEh31em3lwzlY86zTG2s7QIge0/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20Mars%20and%20Venus%20from%20central%20panel%20of%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZsesjrodCWLb_7U2wnFkKNieZ0uQcnhHWrEbHzhMPgQ_R3igqunS2YQxiCV3Mk1Hy2oY0d1sh7fAuI3O3mBgQlWK7gWvfrUjKcthF3fwm-yteFQZu4dad_StB-5mmrX0Us3BQAoObJoCOQ9xhkn46YeaDUZ3sLwfKTfEh31em3lwzlY86zTG2s7QIge0/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202018%20Room%20%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99,%20detail%20of%20Mars%20and%20Venus%20from%20central%20panel%20of%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum%20courtesy%20of%20Annette%20Haug.jpg" width="213" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2018 Room ‘h’, detail of Mars and Venus from central panel of north wall of tablinum courtesy of Annette Haug</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2dVTUIEI5VBpmoR26iAvx3yL25aEZI4ffcFBFjywL_X0xIGsZx4AJOqnKYlkDo0v1zTwQy2V9B10NiM8_PzhvUUz7y5q3JKedYqz0mBwXlhJF_kkiq26_SzF_CJgd12M2ImLyqz1kRGqIK3c12zcQONxfnP5JOxxO98omWb3ou2aNvw_1_LDLwgnSpGc/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20RCentre%20panel%20of%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum,%20wall%20painting%20of%20the%20wedding%20of%20Mars%20and%20Venus%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2dVTUIEI5VBpmoR26iAvx3yL25aEZI4ffcFBFjywL_X0xIGsZx4AJOqnKYlkDo0v1zTwQy2V9B10NiM8_PzhvUUz7y5q3JKedYqz0mBwXlhJF_kkiq26_SzF_CJgd12M2ImLyqz1kRGqIK3c12zcQONxfnP5JOxxO98omWb3ou2aNvw_1_LDLwgnSpGc/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20RCentre%20panel%20of%20north%20wall%20of%20tablinum,%20wall%20painting%20of%20the%20wedding%20of%20Mars%20and%20Venus%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2023 RCentre panel of north wall of tablinum, wall painting of the wedding of Mars and Venus courtesy of Johannes Eber</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiE9WpEZoHnm7qT3FpAqZFSfSXKHW1FaVRTcWpJb48I3blnwGT8wzDCY4E1PPmyAWoXaeMfmxrAK394437EPzdw8mSSo59-xE6UL02-QYtB8sb55CvrGjYVlVEbiCNLsnE-shZcQn2tP_l7-p5SF5t_WSaZ0MNH3U3FiYx2aoiQ4Gvw9EIFXnIBr03y5mw/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20'g',%20detail%20from%20upper%20center%20of%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiE9WpEZoHnm7qT3FpAqZFSfSXKHW1FaVRTcWpJb48I3blnwGT8wzDCY4E1PPmyAWoXaeMfmxrAK394437EPzdw8mSSo59-xE6UL02-QYtB8sb55CvrGjYVlVEbiCNLsnE-shZcQn2tP_l7-p5SF5t_WSaZ0MNH3U3FiYx2aoiQ4Gvw9EIFXnIBr03y5mw/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20'g',%20detail%20from%20upper%20center%20of%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2023 Room 'g', detail from upper center of west wall of cubiculum courtesy of Johannes Eber</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2PXRAupnbAPxYckE6R5eUDs3qPcC64Bkgv7N6lPPRGMSNpBlarWB5Z2KxHLcyGDJb6EpKdUE4TP0yGIG5YYBkYh7IfPI9_3XEmtPpG3Ur_h6dlfwDEKba_MScA-VSFBTw-TbUuftkCfqiwMfx6jndCmCAsGzEDUUNZSaS2LCvCsMhwivgtMuSaVTXloA/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20above%20black%20side%20panel%20on%20upper%20south%20wall%20at%20east%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2PXRAupnbAPxYckE6R5eUDs3qPcC64Bkgv7N6lPPRGMSNpBlarWB5Z2KxHLcyGDJb6EpKdUE4TP0yGIG5YYBkYh7IfPI9_3XEmtPpG3Ur_h6dlfwDEKba_MScA-VSFBTw-TbUuftkCfqiwMfx6jndCmCAsGzEDUUNZSaS2LCvCsMhwivgtMuSaVTXloA/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20'h',%20detail%20of%20painted%20decoration%20above%20black%20side%20panel%20on%20upper%20south%20wall%20at%20east%20end%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2023 Room 'h', detail of painted decoration above black side panel on upper south wall at east end courtesy of Johannes Eber</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgl5qSAZ5WPPsr_FZG8-9P4rTmWhBNwVndZeR7b5kFrrGPBJUOetYhaJVUCJvXCt3agiB4apQ6TjrzvB6-2miFYe1gQFnUOAE37ibY6VWf0_6sAe0oXOQT3Zp4gu_k6ri7ChDTdSIm8BLSz_Y3tvfyol-Z6fnudk4X6AKQ82gKyY7bWvm7rkzlf_h0y12A/s1024/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20%E2%80%98g%E2%80%99,%20central%20wall%20painting%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20on%20south%20side%20of%20atrium%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="683" data-original-width="1024" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgl5qSAZ5WPPsr_FZG8-9P4rTmWhBNwVndZeR7b5kFrrGPBJUOetYhaJVUCJvXCt3agiB4apQ6TjrzvB6-2miFYe1gQFnUOAE37ibY6VWf0_6sAe0oXOQT3Zp4gu_k6ri7ChDTdSIm8BLSz_Y3tvfyol-Z6fnudk4X6AKQ82gKyY7bWvm7rkzlf_h0y12A/s320/House%20of%20Marcus%20Lucretius%20Fronto%20Pompeii%202023%20Room%20%E2%80%98g%E2%80%99,%20central%20wall%20painting%20from%20west%20wall%20of%20cubiculum%20on%20south%20side%20of%20atrium%20courtesy%20of%20Johannes%20Eber.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto Pompeii 2023 Room ‘g’, central wall painting from west wall of cubiculum on south side of atrium courtesy of Johannes Eber</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard offered some interesting suggestions as to the messages meant to be conveyed by images of these myths:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The intended message of the Narcissus painting in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto is multifaceted and open to interpretation, even considering the context of the Third Style. Here are some possibilities:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Vanity and self-obsession: This remains a prominent interpretation, aligned with the traditional moral of the Narcissus myth. The Third Style's penchant for theatricality could amplify this message, showcasing Narcissus's exaggerated gestures and entranced expression as a cautionary tale against excessive self-admiration.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Ephemeral beauty and illusion: The Third Style's emphasis on illusionism and playful decoration could enhance the theme of beauty's transience. The focus on Narcissus's reflection, rendered with delicate detail and shimmering water, could serve as a reminder that outward appearances are fleeting and ultimately deceptive.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Narcissistic tendencies and their consequences: The story of Narcissus can be seen as a reflection on human tendencies towards self-absorption and neglecting others. The Third Style's use of vignettes and close-ups might draw viewers into Narcissus's isolated world, emphasizing the loneliness and self-destruction that result from his narcissistic behavior.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Psychological introspection and self-discovery: While less traditional, some interpretations see the myth as a metaphor for introspection and self-discovery. The Third Style's focus on intimate narratives could invite viewers to identify with Narcissus's self-absorption, but also see it as a necessary stage in understanding one's own identity and flaws.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Artistic expression and stylistic influence: Beyond specific messages, the painting showcases the artistry of the time. The Third Style's use of vibrant colors, delicate brushstrokes, and intricate details could be appreciated for their aesthetic value, regardless of the underlying message.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the "message" of the Narcissus painting remains open to personal interpretation. The Third Style context contributes additional layers of theatricality, illusionism, and psychological depth, offering viewers a rich and nuanced experience as they engage with the artwork.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne mural in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto likely held several intertwined messages for its Roman viewers:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Celebration of wine and revelry: Bacchus, the Roman god of wine, intoxication, and religious ecstasy, takes center stage, riding a chariot drawn by panthers or tigers. This prominent depiction glorifies the pleasures associated with wine and the Dionysian cult, which emphasized uninhibited joy and release.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Divine favor and earthly blessings: The triumphal procession, with its accompanying Satyrs, Maenads, and musical instruments, evokes a sense of divine favor and abundance. This imagery might have reassured the homeowner and guests of Bacchus' blessings, promising fertility, prosperity, and protection from misfortune.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Love and metamorphosis: Ariadne, abandoned by Theseus on Naxos but later claimed by Bacchus, symbolizes the transformative power of love. Her inclusion suggests the possibility of finding joy and solace even after heartbreak, potentially offering comfort or hope to viewers facing similar challenges.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Mortality and acceptance: In some interpretations, the triumphal procession can be seen as a metaphor for the cycle of life and death. As Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry, leads the way, it could remind viewers to embrace the fleeting pleasures of life, accepting its impermanence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Social status and cultural context: The presence of such a lavish mural in a wealthy household like the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto also signifies the owner's cultural awareness and appreciation for Greek mythology. It served as a statement of their refined taste and potentially their connection to Dionysian cults or similar social circles.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">6. Artistic expression and individual interpretation: Beyond specific messages, the mural showcases the artist's skill and the Roman fascination with mythological narratives. The vibrant colors, dynamic composition, and detailed figures demonstrate the artistic prowess of the time. Ultimately, the interpretation of the mural's message could vary depending on the individual viewer's perspective and personal experiences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion, the Triumph of Bacchus and Ariadne mural in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto offered a multifaceted experience for its viewers. It celebrated life's pleasures, alluded to divine blessings, explored themes of love and transformation, and potentially reminded one of their mortality. At the same time, it served as a testament to the artistic skill of the time and the homeowner's cultural sophistication. Understanding these layers of meaning allows us to appreciate the mural not just as a beautiful artwork, but also as a window into Roman life and beliefs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The marriage of Mars and Venus, depicted in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto's tablinum (formal reception room), presents a captivating and complex image whose message unfolds on several layers:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Harmony and Order: On the surface, the painting celebrates the union of two powerful deities—Mars, the god of war, and Venus, the goddess of love—representing a balance between strength and beauty, valor and passion. This harmony signifies the importance of maintaining cosmic order and ensuring the continuation of life, themes deeply ingrained in Roman beliefs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Fertile Union and New Beginnings: The marriage also symbolizes fertility and procreation, vital for the prosperity of the Roman state. Venus, associated with vegetation and springtime, alongside Mars, representing agriculture and warfare, embodies the cyclical nature of life and death, ensuring renewal and bounty.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Power Dynamics and Gender Roles: However, the depiction is not without tension. While Venus sits regally on a couch, Mars stands before her, holding his helmet, suggesting a potentially unequal power dynamic. This could reflect Roman gender roles, where masculine authority prevailed, or allude to the civilizing influence of love over the raw power of war.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Private and Public Spheres: The location of the painting in the tablinum, a space used for both business and socializing, further adds to its interpretation. It could be seen as a reminder of the interconnectedness of public and private life, how the harmonious balance between love and war is crucial for both individual families and the Roman state.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Artistic Interpretation and Individual Perception: Ultimately, the "message" of the painting is open to individual interpretation. The artist's choices, such as the composition, color palette, and facial expressions, contribute to the overall mood and can evoke different emotions and thoughts in viewers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">6. Artistic Significance and Roman Context: Beyond its thematic complexities, the painting showcases the artistic skill of the Pompeian era. The vibrant colors, detailed figures, and use of perspective demonstrate the technical mastery and aesthetic preferences of Roman art during the Third Style.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion, the marriage of Mars and Venus in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto is more than just a beautiful decoration. It serves as a multifaceted tapestry woven with themes of harmony, fertility, power dynamics, and interconnectedness. By understanding these layers of meaning, we gain a deeper appreciation for the cultural and artistic context of Roman life and the enduring resonance of mythological narratives.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">he intended message of the Ariadne and Theseus painting in the House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto, considering both the myth and the Third Style context, offers a captivating puzzle with multiple potential interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Trust and collaboration: At its core, the scene depicts a crucial moment of trust and collaboration. Ariadne, despite potential betrayal, entrusts Theseus with the vital tool for escape. The Third Style's focus on decorative elements and theatrical gestures could elevate this theme, highlighting the importance of cooperation and selflessness in achieving shared goals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Divine guidance and destiny: The myth features Dionysus, who falls in love with Ariadne after Theseus abandons her. The Third Style's playful portrayal of deities within the scene could emphasize the role of divine forces in shaping Ariadne's and Theseus's destinies. This reading suggests that Ariadne's act of trust is not just towards Theseus, but also towards the unpredictable path laid out by destiny.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Vulnerability and transformation: Ariadne's vulnerability in sharing the thread, potentially risking her own fate, could be a key message. The Third Style's focus on close-up expressions and intimate narratives could amplify this vulnerability, portraying her not as a passive giver but as a powerful agent choosing her own path through sacrifice. This interpretation might suggest that Ariadne's vulnerability leads to transformation, both through her connection with Dionysus and her potential journey beyond the labyrinth.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. The power of knowledge and feminine wisdom: The thread can be seen as a symbol of Ariadne's intelligence and resourcefulness. The Third Style's decorative motifs and intricate details could be interpreted as metaphors for knowledge and cleverness. This reading highlights the power of feminine wisdom and its crucial role in overcoming challenges, regardless of external forces like divine intervention.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Artistic expression and aesthetic beauty: Beyond specific messages, the painting showcases the artist's skill and the Third Style's unique aesthetic. The vibrant colors, dynamic composition, and delicate brushstrokes enhance the scene's visual impact. This appreciation of the artwork's beauty allows viewers to connect with the story on an aesthetic level, regardless of their interpretation of the underlying message.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the "message" of the Ariadne and Theseus painting remains a fascinating open question. The Third Style context adds layers of theatricality, symbolism, and decorative beauty, inviting viewers to explore themes of trust, destiny, vulnerability, knowledge, and the human journey through challenging obstacles.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The painting of Orestes killing Neoptolemus at the altar of Apollo in Pompeii's House of Marcus Lucretius Fronto is a complex scene rife with potential interpretations. While a definitive "message" might elude us, here are some key layers to consider:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Vengeance and Justice: The scene depicts a pivotal moment from Greek mythology, where Orestes, guided by the god Apollo, avenges the murder of his father Agamemnon by slaying Neoptolemus, who took part in the act. This emphasizes the theme of divine-sanctioned vengeance and justice prevailing over wrongdoing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Cycle of Violence: However, the act of vengeance itself perpetuates the cycle of violence. Neoptolemus, though complicit in Agamemnon's death, was merely a pawn in a larger web of betrayal and revenge. This ambiguity raises questions about the morality of retribution and its potential to spiral into endless bloodshed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Fate and Prophecy: The painting's placement in the House of Fronto, likely a space for reflection and conversation, suggests it might have served as a prompt for contemplating fate and prophecy. Orestes' actions were driven by Apollo's oracle, blurring the lines between free will and destiny. This could have sparked discussions about the role of divine intervention in human affairs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Artistic Expression and Style: Beyond thematic interpretations, the painting showcases the artistic skill of the time. The dramatic composition, use of color and perspective, and detailed figures demonstrate the technical prowess and aesthetic preferences of Pompeii's Third Style.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Cultural Context and Roman Values: The choice of this particular myth might reflect Roman anxieties about familial duty, honor, and the consequences of unchecked violence. It's possible the painting served as a reminder of the importance of upholding social order and the potential pitfalls of succumbing to vengeful impulses.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the "message" of Orestes killing Neoptolemus remains open to individual interpretation. The painting's enduring power lies in its ability to evoke questions about justice, violence, fate, and the human condition, themes that resonate across cultures and time periods.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that some interpretations of the painting might touch upon sensitive topics like violence and death. However, by focusing on the broader themes and artistic aspects, we can appreciate the work's complexity and historical significance without venturing into insensitive or harmful territory."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Images: I have included here detail images of these works and others I found particularly beautiful. My image editing included sharpening, straightening, as well as adjusting perspective, highlights, shadows, tone, color and texture.</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-19429468996622381052023-12-29T11:41:00.000-08:002023-12-29T11:41:41.220-08:00Decorative Roman knives of the 4th century CE: Status Symbols or Ritual Implements?<p> <span style="font-family: arial;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Another artifact from Dumbarton Oaks photographed by my good friend Allan Gluck - a knife, with an iron blade inserted into an ivory or bone handle carved with an image of Dionysos, or a youthful member of his retinue. The curators point out the figure is identified as Dionysos because of the presence of the panther and the grapes in his right hand but without other typical attributes, such as a vine-wreath crown or thyrsus they suggest it may be one of his followers </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">instead.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_uSESdooJlNY25MC6T6qx5ykDIIT7MfSp6se8rEVLUtYaq9Llao2dk8aQhIdRdhQ0LsBOM7aT6tRZLlw60gydH8ZpW_3rThbjERaWJdDKCj6wCDtGeA17v-I6MkDpTfGWYA1cO8Z4__x155zUu5dkUg3xff_RclZ3qTLnjij9dzncDEnhMqLgixLhqh4/s4032/Plaque%20Hermaphrodite%20and%20leopard%20Bone%20%20Late%20Roman%204th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY%20LOCAL%20LGHT%20FACES.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_uSESdooJlNY25MC6T6qx5ykDIIT7MfSp6se8rEVLUtYaq9Llao2dk8aQhIdRdhQ0LsBOM7aT6tRZLlw60gydH8ZpW_3rThbjERaWJdDKCj6wCDtGeA17v-I6MkDpTfGWYA1cO8Z4__x155zUu5dkUg3xff_RclZ3qTLnjij9dzncDEnhMqLgixLhqh4/s320/Plaque%20Hermaphrodite%20and%20leopard%20Bone%20%20Late%20Roman%204th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY%20LOCAL%20LGHT%20FACES.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Remains of an iron-bladed knife depicting and ivory or bone carved Dionysos and felines, Roman, 4th century CE, photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-family: arial;">"Stylistically, the figure resembles the Dionysos depicted on an ivory medicine box also in the Dumbarton Oaks collection which dates to the second half of the fourth-fifth century. The figure on the knife handle lacks the smoothness of the Dionysos carving, displaying more abrupt transitions between the planes of the torso and the thighs, which suggests an earlier date, in the fourth century. The medicine box is considered to be Egyptian, as are a number of other knives of this type, which date to approximately the same period; [so] this object is most likely Egyptian.</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The handle was initially identified as ivory, though subsequent examination by a conservator has raised the possibility that it could be bone. Both bone and ivory may be compromised at points of attachment with metal, and both are subject to environmental degradation; expanding and contracting in changing humidity and temperature conditions, the handle’s outer layers have been damaged, and are in many areas cracked and flaking. This type of damage makes an identification of the material difficult. However, both the front and back of the handle are pitted by a series of tiny indentations resembling foramina, the nutrient channels that characterize the vascular structure of bone."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Similar knives can be found in the collections of the Walters Art Museum in Baltimore, MD and the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City although those knives depict Hercules rather than Dionysos. Each includes a panther-like creature, though, too. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTmkyFnKWAUGCIYAy488vQCfCK__eINbh6ObxRV9N2GGJdjOwZY56l8rWkkrmyL8UUjkTTBhHYchfnIkt7Tx8BLLAI8bfeRy8yRDNwRPei7OJOYuvgNf6Y5qbfVx9pRAL2Fhw4Tf6pxGYsNokaoXeKBGd501kiUZB65nE8E6WHsqnwDVvkae3weFf5kXs/s1200/main-image.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1200" data-original-width="977" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTmkyFnKWAUGCIYAy488vQCfCK__eINbh6ObxRV9N2GGJdjOwZY56l8rWkkrmyL8UUjkTTBhHYchfnIkt7Tx8BLLAI8bfeRy8yRDNwRPei7OJOYuvgNf6Y5qbfVx9pRAL2Fhw4Tf6pxGYsNokaoXeKBGd501kiUZB65nE8E6WHsqnwDVvkae3weFf5kXs/s320/main-image.jpg" width="261" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Remains of an ivory-handled knife depicting Hercules and a feline at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, Roman, 2nd to 4th century CE. Image courtesy of the museum.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzyZnu1PEKxfrmiYFvUhMTxS373WTu1kaph9hvhcHaZsRJc5160X6L7CU1WtlA7qe3b_bUoL3FaibnqHfE2JVQV_5PUrH_vBWfUYt-GsG5WD6-UT7oVnT5btFX-_al04YbzMCmRF4_nCIhNR920IfXPAKY0I4c1H7ng-_oTgcsMGARbHo9MPLQLcurjk/s1800/PL9_71.2_Fnt_BW.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1800" data-original-width="1286" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzyZnu1PEKxfrmiYFvUhMTxS373WTu1kaph9hvhcHaZsRJc5160X6L7CU1WtlA7qe3b_bUoL3FaibnqHfE2JVQV_5PUrH_vBWfUYt-GsG5WD6-UT7oVnT5btFX-_al04YbzMCmRF4_nCIhNR920IfXPAKY0I4c1H7ng-_oTgcsMGARbHo9MPLQLcurjk/s320/PL9_71.2_Fnt_BW.jpg" width="229" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Remains of a bone-handled knife depicting Hercules and a feline, Roman, 4th century CE, at the Walters Art Museum. Image courtesy of the museum.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Given the value of the materials used, the particularity of form and elaborate nature of the carving, these were likely ceremonial implements, not intended for everyday use. Although generally identified as knives, their distinctive shape suggests a particular function, the exact nature of which remains uncertain."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I found pictures of the knives at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Walters Art Museum decorated with felines and depictions of Hercules. The curators at the Walters Art Museum speculate Roman men liked to identify themselves with such heroic, mythological figures, just as women had their toilet articles decorated with images of Venus, the goddess of love. They point out these pieces could also have been used as strigils for scraping sweat and dirt from the skin after exercise or a steam bath.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard if these knives could have been used for ritual sacrifices, but it, too, conjectured that the knives were probably used for personal use and display of social status.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"While Roman knives with handles depicting Hercules or Dionysus could have been used in some rituals, it's unlikely they were primarily designed for sacrifices. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Material and Design:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The materials, ivory and bone, while valuable, weren't the most practical choice for sacrificial knives. Sacrificial knives were often disposable or used repeatedly, and sturdier materials like iron or bronze were preferred.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The intricate carvings and decorations on these knives would have been easily damaged during sacrifices, making them less suitable for such purposes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Symbolic Depictions:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The depictions of Hercules and Dionysos are more suggestive of personal significance or social status than religious rituals. Hercules was associated with strength and heroism, while Dionysos represented festivity and wine. These themes are more relevant to individual identity or social display than sacrificial practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Archaeological Evidence:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While some archaeological finds associate similar knives with ritual contexts, these are often burials or funerary contexts, not necessarily sacrificial ones. The knives could have been placed as symbolic offerings or possessions of the deceased rather than tools for sacrifice.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Ritual Uses:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Despite the points above, it's not entirely impossible that these knives played a role in some rituals. Here are some possibilities:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Offerings to deities: The knives could have been presented as offerings to gods like Hercules or Dionysos during rituals related to their respective domains.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ritualistic meals: Knives with Dionysus imagery might have been used during feasts or celebrations associated with the god of wine.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic gestures: The act of using a knife with a specific deity's image could have held symbolic meaning within certain rituals, even if the knife itself wasn't used for sacrifices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the exact role of these knives in rituals remains unclear. However, considering the materials, designs, and symbolic depictions, it's more likely they served practical and social purposes rather than being exclusively designed for sacrifices."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-47905048337858106952023-12-29T11:33:00.000-08:002023-12-29T11:33:41.019-08:00The De Meern 1 and 2nd century shipbuilding<p><span style="font-family: arial;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">My Facebook friend David McLane sent me a picture of the remains of a Roman shipwreck dubbed "De Meern 1" dated to about 190 CE that was found in a tributary of the Rhine and is now on display at the Museum Hoge Woerd in De Meern, Utrecht, Netherlands. </span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOurey4kGdLUh0Z-VwvREDXkK9ZjGNe6Au4Jc1DEpZg0kZu2s5cCbmWIpTeFF2OJ-YzqofjcU7pp3xPAS-_QLn2SJgNDk47O5n2GI-NDRjMH1tnIS7Itz_O_drZBeCEhqUkNrQsU-sZTWfyALtUpOzbgJeP-DVYUg6BHzgKyw41oFsGHeXqeEgbW1QgVc/s954/De_Meern_-_Castellum_Hoge_Woerd_20210911_De_Meern_1_-_bovenaanzicht.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="954" data-original-width="744" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOurey4kGdLUh0Z-VwvREDXkK9ZjGNe6Au4Jc1DEpZg0kZu2s5cCbmWIpTeFF2OJ-YzqofjcU7pp3xPAS-_QLn2SJgNDk47O5n2GI-NDRjMH1tnIS7Itz_O_drZBeCEhqUkNrQsU-sZTWfyALtUpOzbgJeP-DVYUg6BHzgKyw41oFsGHeXqeEgbW1QgVc/s320/De_Meern_-_Castellum_Hoge_Woerd_20210911_De_Meern_1_-_bovenaanzicht.jpg" width="250" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">The original remains of the De Meern 1 Roman barge wrecked in a tributary of the Rhine near De Meern, Utrecht, Netherlands. </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Otter.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtkBT4k7XXVh1Udsn8q55HR_rkzPnMgDyf4JMXD-kQc1MGTsjaMdaUaA8IL8t3KQ6GKC5CBAz9xOSqoJY8sNw9b6RtCCMMAI6FWFevcONndFX55HdCeF2YXhXmk-Unc6QFGCbUbum4cFbmLrOJ3uUw8KfwhTOe9V3S5_hnjYgWIb_VJx-bGiEGzhYFO04/s1280/De_Meern_-_Castellum_Hoge_Woerd_20210911_De_Meern_1_-_kajuitingang.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="874" data-original-width="1280" height="219" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtkBT4k7XXVh1Udsn8q55HR_rkzPnMgDyf4JMXD-kQc1MGTsjaMdaUaA8IL8t3KQ6GKC5CBAz9xOSqoJY8sNw9b6RtCCMMAI6FWFevcONndFX55HdCeF2YXhXmk-Unc6QFGCbUbum4cFbmLrOJ3uUw8KfwhTOe9V3S5_hnjYgWIb_VJx-bGiEGzhYFO04/s320/De_Meern_-_Castellum_Hoge_Woerd_20210911_De_Meern_1_-_kajuitingang.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Detail image of the original remains of the De Meern 1 Roman barge wrecked in a tributary of the Rhine near De Meern, Utrecht, Netherlands. </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Otter.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhTGT3CWPcL6NYLfCvWHfqSJmBMYXi3i9RZSoqMSrfjsTeUHnDzfKuQFHDfqmZDjAFIhaE5gO3ViU0AtO3hUrcRgob0CWX5Qr92XPZZFwRIUmlKeF6gSrMWNIV6hrQpLkg5zAiJvo9P5Lk26BkGuMkcGDBobW4IX5wZEoz70j08Q7IlXS9HXFYSGPvkeQ/s640/Een_replica_van_een_Romeinse_boot_in_Woerden..jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="427" data-original-width="640" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhTGT3CWPcL6NYLfCvWHfqSJmBMYXi3i9RZSoqMSrfjsTeUHnDzfKuQFHDfqmZDjAFIhaE5gO3ViU0AtO3hUrcRgob0CWX5Qr92XPZZFwRIUmlKeF6gSrMWNIV6hrQpLkg5zAiJvo9P5Lk26BkGuMkcGDBobW4IX5wZEoz70j08Q7IlXS9HXFYSGPvkeQ/s320/Een_replica_van_een_Romeinse_boot_in_Woerden..jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Reproduction of the De Meern 1 Roman river barge wrecked in a tributary of the Rhine near De Meern, Utrecht, Netherlands courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Jan dinkstra.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjK57o-n_gM7dTm5C8Cp9irOQc0doJXaI94CZM5wenexz2xxL4i_KhPVsKXOUuaFl9cNsnv4asvHh9hxt6GSU5CnaIABUwcRLiHV7yGhIIba7LxsRig8Opb24PqcSwvHME2au2zoGTOJ1AEJs_Of2QQh4oRTY3xXMCF233sHwfEFNrqjAmFC1bCz7boIm0/s1280/20160919_Woerden_(6).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="851" data-original-width="1280" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjK57o-n_gM7dTm5C8Cp9irOQc0doJXaI94CZM5wenexz2xxL4i_KhPVsKXOUuaFl9cNsnv4asvHh9hxt6GSU5CnaIABUwcRLiHV7yGhIIba7LxsRig8Opb24PqcSwvHME2au2zoGTOJ1AEJs_Of2QQh4oRTY3xXMCF233sHwfEFNrqjAmFC1bCz7boIm0/s320/20160919_Woerden_(6).jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Closeup of the cabin of the Reproduction of the De Meern 1 Roman river barge wrecked in a tributary of the Rhine near De Meern, Utrecht, Netherlands courtesy of <br />Wikimedia Commons contributor Ellywa</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: arial; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I was particularly intrigued when I read that the captain's personal belongings and a set of tools were found within the cabin so I searched for images of those artifacts.</span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Fortunately, I found a category on Wikimedia Commons <span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span>with pictures of the objects (I think some are replicas) as well as images of a model reconstruction of the Roman river barge.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Shipwreck_De_Meern_1?fbclid=IwAR3q-xmSiYlB5lMD-5ZJ9Box9yvWYEqZprLDQVSktWXNOIFAFNexNwOn3yc" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/.../Category:Shipwreck_De...</a></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Looking at the tools, I was amazed at how familiar so many of them are - a chisel, shears, block plane, boat hook, adze hammer, crowbar, and a bow saw. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeev5pkNgGNd-j3-MwpjecALZPB8Opjt9XekYp1AkzyG7vppFRcvA-tE6QaEFP67uik3_JFmMKfLcrgX8JEG0XXYI8S6iYs1U6U1CcmqcWD2BWCyvSGL8sXSDEwktPIbD8UPL9rpAVRSgeIH0O5e-M9OFKBS7deLMlrcDjJ3iKBvIAksPryVsHymFDtiU/s1200/Spanzaag_van_zilverspar_en_walnoot_-_DMN1_De_Meern_1_-_60023351_-_RCE.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="800" data-original-width="1200" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeev5pkNgGNd-j3-MwpjecALZPB8Opjt9XekYp1AkzyG7vppFRcvA-tE6QaEFP67uik3_JFmMKfLcrgX8JEG0XXYI8S6iYs1U6U1CcmqcWD2BWCyvSGL8sXSDEwktPIbD8UPL9rpAVRSgeIH0O5e-M9OFKBS7deLMlrcDjJ3iKBvIAksPryVsHymFDtiU/s320/Spanzaag_van_zilverspar_en_walnoot_-_DMN1_De_Meern_1_-_60023351_-_RCE.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">String-tensioned bow saw from around 148 CE, found in the Netherlands in the wreck of a Roman ship now known as "De Meern 1". Used woods in the saw are fir and walnut. courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">De Meern 1 was discovered in Leidsche Rijn in 1997, but was finally excavated in 2003. Upon exhumation, the ship was measured 25 by 2.7 meters, with dendrochronology narrowing the lumber being cut around 148 CE, and being active from 150-200 CE. Wikipedia (</span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Ships_of_De_Meern%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3zgVGeD8Yj7QOVUc3I-SEN1jcxV8ybGYjHjZYY-ANojDdNIpFV6OCWVSE&h=AT2LbYnpVxgqBQTo1YL5HVias9PVRrfZCJ4MkmvtT09N5CVeXb-bVRUa3PZznfw6yqBi8zBI_eutyJ8XkdOi8MlrwnfSGC9sb4ms7c0k2AV0qBv7sNKEx_FZbHslNfSfqtwcX9K_kox23T3u8A&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0LSSCQvKi3u4-NwF598Ujo4Ldn3DEP8PIR9oVk-c91sw0DtbSqqkSUJ339CuFw4_AqNfIEuM-7SmU5UAnvZJNwq6yh_E5F2JnhHl3_SplwmsIKJ_0bsd50zdku0F8d9Zvjl1QOp95KlgUcKwqD8Um2_ldu0zJfTBfnZldB0kOtC_Kyv3slTg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ships_of_De_Meern</a></span><span style="font-family: inherit;">) states military objects found within the ship indicate its owner may have been a veteran of the Roman army, who conducted repair work along the limes. Looking through the available images, though, the only military artifact I saw was a lance blade.</span></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-31724317247813332582023-12-29T11:25:00.000-08:002023-12-29T11:25:23.154-08:00Roman lead sarcophagi and funerary iconography of the 2nd - 3rd century CE<p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Another fascinating artifact from the collections of the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. photographed by my good friend Allan Gluck - a 2nd century - 3rd century CE Roman lead sarcophagus from the region now occupied by Lebanon, Syria and Israel. The curators point out this example is typical of these lead coffins in design and detail: columns divide the long sides into panels containing </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">images of sphinxes, clusters of laurel, ivy leaves, Medusa masks, dolphins, and kraters (vases for mixing wine and water). Rope borders with scrolling leaves frame these panels, motifs often repeated on the lid along with rosettes. One end of the coffin displays a six-rayed star of rope with double rosettes at the ends and center; the other end has a temple façade with kantharoi (drinking vessels) and scrolls between columns, and ivy leaves along its pediment.</span></span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh8kVlHcJViqEmkfhZxH-GeBQ3BZTWaI1eM0Mmn7lQglTBrzD9f3JqbvM4TVPLldmTJOk7ch-cRirVzgICFPwOt1O58pEa83mtNoYaegIZu3shmuw2YdmyDtva-A4SwrVQU2D6PtSUv5fJWvElGlcvXgH9U-4RUgagmgJ9lR4WGGLIAyKlKdZtKSHhyZwk/s3204/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(8)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3204" data-original-width="2760" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh8kVlHcJViqEmkfhZxH-GeBQ3BZTWaI1eM0Mmn7lQglTBrzD9f3JqbvM4TVPLldmTJOk7ch-cRirVzgICFPwOt1O58pEa83mtNoYaegIZu3shmuw2YdmyDtva-A4SwrVQU2D6PtSUv5fJWvElGlcvXgH9U-4RUgagmgJ9lR4WGGLIAyKlKdZtKSHhyZwk/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(8)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="276" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitde08al5L-kE27clhrMMpSZ2oBlLH7M9yLtS50xO3rW4GUKK2ZnF8aOfXZASsNsPEOwD1ls3bVWrxGYNKrgDMVd2m2unqxfa32FWI7e-QmQB1PbyoSYtASf1fUDX18jKf4XgyoA193rhq9Q8i_RXWpL5tOYpGrH-8io0Dy3hbAcxZmX__sg_P_QebGvw/s3624/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3624" data-original-width="2748" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitde08al5L-kE27clhrMMpSZ2oBlLH7M9yLtS50xO3rW4GUKK2ZnF8aOfXZASsNsPEOwD1ls3bVWrxGYNKrgDMVd2m2unqxfa32FWI7e-QmQB1PbyoSYtASf1fUDX18jKf4XgyoA193rhq9Q8i_RXWpL5tOYpGrH-8io0Dy3hbAcxZmX__sg_P_QebGvw/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(9)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="243" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6rEsdptenJSfkUQt0uscgCEasb39vcFdZDm8KkHcCq8xe8SfX9VnjOMPxCftKbmcLMd5YvQuNuPxeiGpdtJXiH3dZJ1Dyt4awpo9fsuxaofjZcxtVJJKQSTnVDdACoOVh0A2xQ5VQRiSJXw19ygV6gHcrf-ONRjalsHOgnDeo9aJ08g7mYuUiDQO1cKE/s3672/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(10)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2652" data-original-width="3672" height="231" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6rEsdptenJSfkUQt0uscgCEasb39vcFdZDm8KkHcCq8xe8SfX9VnjOMPxCftKbmcLMd5YvQuNuPxeiGpdtJXiH3dZJ1Dyt4awpo9fsuxaofjZcxtVJJKQSTnVDdACoOVh0A2xQ5VQRiSJXw19ygV6gHcrf-ONRjalsHOgnDeo9aJ08g7mYuUiDQO1cKE/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(10)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiA3rp6uAhITGZWtNrRmYI7E_tpTpxBcKFH9qsoO1_eCOCykOCDFWq9ng704A7qBBUcvbyn5kmADIyOFmlncY-DyK-J08Ftc3CfIlwnpuz0HV7EtKLY9-Tog_ytO52BAnkyBd8lB16A9z35qpsLva7GiJcPRj9IVdS6BV5BNK3nzKfcHk5T0Xr6EZzt3js/s3939/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(15)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2954" data-original-width="3939" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiA3rp6uAhITGZWtNrRmYI7E_tpTpxBcKFH9qsoO1_eCOCykOCDFWq9ng704A7qBBUcvbyn5kmADIyOFmlncY-DyK-J08Ftc3CfIlwnpuz0HV7EtKLY9-Tog_ytO52BAnkyBd8lB16A9z35qpsLva7GiJcPRj9IVdS6BV5BNK3nzKfcHk5T0Xr6EZzt3js/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(15)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">"Within the cultures around the Mediterranean Sea before and during the Roman Empire and for centuries beyond, many diverse images constituted a rich repertory of apotropaic symbols, that is, images that served to keep away evil spirits. Such amuletic symbols—for example, the Medusa mask, the ivy leaf, and the rope—were even used to protect the deceased from the evil effects of bad-intentioned wishes and spirits. The belief in such spirits is attested by the very efforts taken to avoid their influence.</span></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lead itself was considered an effective means of conveying curses and, conversely, warding off evil spirits. A long tradition existed in the ancient world of “curse tablets” written on lead, in which the writer hoped to gain power over another person or a situation, to condemn individuals or spirits to failure. Sarcophagi were no doubt fabricated of lead in the belief that the material would enhance the efficacy of the protective images, as it would ensure the success of the curse tablets."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard adds, "The exact date for the arrival of lead sarcophagi in ancient Roman funerary contexts is a bit murky, but evidence suggests they began appearing sometime around the second century AD.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Prior to the second century, cremation was the predominant burial practice in Rome. Remains were placed in urns or ossuaries, not elaborate containers like sarcophagi.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Around the second century, a shift towards inhumation burial gradually started, and with it, the use of sarcophagi grew.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lead, along with wood and stone, was one of the materials used to craft these early sarcophagi. However, marble became the most prestigious choice for wealthier citizens.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While some sources pinpoint the emergence of lead sarcophagi to around 110-120 AD, precise documentation on their initial usage can be elusive.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Some evidence suggests lead sarcophagi were more popular in the eastern provinces of the Roman Empire, particularly regions rich in lead resources.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while a definitive starting date remains tricky to nail down, it's safe to say lead sarcophagi entered the Roman funerary scene around the second century AD as part of the shift from cremation to inhumation burials."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard where in the Mediterranean lead was mined.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: "Lead mining in the eastern Mediterranean has a long and rich history, stretching back to the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's a breakdown of some key regions where lead was mined:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Anatolia: </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Central Taurus Mountains: This region holds significant deposits of galena (lead sulfide), making it a major source throughout history. Lead from here was used in sites across Anatolia, the Aegean, and beyond.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Laurion district in Attica, Greece: While primarily known for silver, the Laurion mines also yielded significant amounts of lead. In fact, lead production contributed greatly to the wealth of Athens during the Classical period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Aegean Islands:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Siphnos: This island hosted early lead mining activity, with evidence from the Bronze Age onwards.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sardinia: Although not technically part of the Eastern Mediterranean, Sardinian lead was widely traded throughout the region, reaching Cyprus, Anatolia, and the Levant.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Cyprus:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While not possessing abundant lead deposits, Cyprus exploited smaller mines and imported lead, particularly from Sardinia, to </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">supplement its own production.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Levant:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mount Pangaion in Thrace (northern Greece): This region had lead-silver mines active from the Archaic period onwards.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Khirbet Mazin and Maʿagenat Ha-Melah in Israel: These Dead Sea anchorages housed lead smelting facilities, indicating processing of imported or locally mined lead.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">5. Other areas:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lead mining also occurred on a smaller scale in islands like Chios and Kea, as well as mainland Greece and the Black Sea region.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Additional aspects to consider:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Trade networks: Lead from various sources was extensively traded throughout the eastern Mediterranean, making it difficult to pinpoint the origin of lead found in archaeological sites.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Technology: Mining and smelting techniques evolved over time, impacting production and distribution patterns.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Environmental impact: Lead mining left a significant ecological footprint, with ongoing research exploring its long-term effects."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I asked "Did the use of inhumation increase because of the spread of Christianity or were there other belief systems that promoted preservation of the body?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied: "The rise of inhumation, the practice of burying bodies instead of cremating them, is a complex phenomenon with multiple contributing factors, and while the spread of Christianity played a role, it wasn't the sole driver. Let's explore the various belief systems and historical contexts that influenced this shift:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christianity and the Importance of the Body:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Resurrection belief: One of the core tenets of Christianity is the belief in the bodily resurrection of the dead on Judgment Day. This placed emphasis on preserving the body for its eventual reunion with the soul.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Early Christian persecution: During the Roman Empire, Christians faced persecution, and burying their dead in marked graves allowed them to identify and revere the remains of martyrs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Other Belief Systems Promoting Inhumation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Judaism: Jewish tradition emphasizes the sanctity of the body and burial in the earth. This practice predates Christianity and likely influenced early Christian beliefs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Zoroastrianism: This ancient Iranian religion viewed the body as impure and polluting the earth, fire, and water. However, they practiced exposure burials, placing bodies on towers for decomposition, rather than inhumation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Egyptian beliefs: The elaborate mummification practices of ancient Egyptians stemmed from their belief in preserving the body for the afterlife journey. While not strictly inhumation, it shares the goal of bodily preservation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical and Cultural Factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Roman influence: The Roman practice of inhumation gradually gained popularity throughout the Empire, influencing burial practices in various regions, including those adopting Christianity.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shifting attitudes toward death: Over time, there was a general move away from viewing death as simply a transition to the underworld and towards seeing it as a more permanent state. This may have contributed to the preference for preserving the body.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, the rise of inhumation was likely a confluence of factors, with Christian beliefs in bodily resurrection playing a significant role, but also influenced by pre-existing traditions, cultural practices, and historical context.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that not all Christian communities adopted inhumation uniformly, and cremation remained practiced in some regions for centuries. Additionally, other belief systems beyond Christianity valued bodily preservation, highlighting the multifaceted nature of this funerary practice."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I followed up with "Did Mithraism promote preservation of the body and inhumation after death?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard's response: "The relationship between Mithraism and funerary practices like preservation and inhumation is complex and debated among scholars. Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited textual evidence: Unlike some religions with extensive surviving texts, Mithraism relied heavily on oral traditions and rituals. This makes it difficult to definitively determine their beliefs about death and the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible influences: Mithraism borrowed elements from various religions, including Zoroastrianism, which favored exposure burials instead of inhumation. However, some scholars suggest Mithraism may have adopted aspects of Roman funerary practices, including inhumation, over time.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic evidence: There's evidence of Mithraic tauroctony scenes - depicting the ritual sacrifice of a bull - appearing on funerary monuments. This symbolism could connect to ideas of sacrifice and renewal, but doesn't directly address bodily preservation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological findings: Excavations of Mithraic temples haven't unearthed significant evidence of burials or ossuaries (containers for remains). This lack of evidence doesn't necessarily rule out inhumation, but it suggests it wasn't a central practice.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Scholarly interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Some scholars believe Mithraism focused on achieving a spiritual union with Mithras, with the earthly body having less significance. This suggests less emphasis on bodily preservation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Others argue that Mithraic rituals and symbolism might have offered solace and hope for a continued existence after death, potentially supporting some form of bodily preservation or respectful treatment of remains.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While conclusive evidence remains elusive, there's no definitive answer to whether Mithraism directly promoted preservation or inhumation. Different interpretations exist based on limited textual and archaeological evidence. It's possible that Mithraic beliefs on death and the afterlife varied across regions and time periods, further complicating our understanding."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I was also curious if lead sarcophagi had been found in Roman military burials from the 2nd century CE onwards?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard said: "Lead sarcophagi have been found in Roman military burials, but not as frequently as other materials like stone or wood. The evidence suggests their use was relatively uncommon and likely confined to specific regions or situations. Here's a breakdown of what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited Examples:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Western Provinces: While lead sarcophagi were used in civilian burials throughout the Roman Empire, only a handful of confirmed examples have been found in military contexts, primarily in regions with abundant lead resources.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Eastern Provinces: The eastern provinces, particularly Asia Minor and Syria, seem to have had a slightly higher incidence of lead sarcophagi in military burials. This might be due to easier access to lead or local traditions influencing funerary practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Examples:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Aquincum, Pannonia (modern-day Budapest, Hungary): A lead sarcophagus dating to the 3rd century AD was found in a Roman military cemetery. It contained the cremated remains of a high-ranking officer, suggesting lead could be used for prestigious burials in specific instances.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Nicopolis ad Istrum, Moesia (modern-day Nikopol, Bulgaria): Fragments of a lead sarcophagus were unearthed in a military cemetery alongside stone and wooden coffins. This indicates lead was not the only material used, and its choice might have depended on individual circumstances or resources available.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Factors Influencing Use:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cost: Lead was generally cheaper than marble or other high-quality materials, but also less durable and prestigious. Its use in military burials might have been driven by budget constraints or specific regional preferences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Practicality: Lead is malleable and relatively easy to work with, potentially making it a suitable material for crafting sarcophagi in remote locations or field conditions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Availability: Access to local lead resources likely played a significant role in its use for sarcophagi, as transporting heavy materials over long distances would be expensive and impractical.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, while lead sarcophagi were present in some Roman military burials, their use was limited and likely influenced by a combination of cost, practicality, and regional availability. More research is needed to fully understand the factors behind their specific application in these contexts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that the scarcity of archaeological evidence doesn't necessarily mean lead sarcophagi were extremely rare. Many military cemeteries haven't been fully excavated, and organic materials like wood tend to decompose over time, making them harder to find compared to stone or metal."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I thought it was curious that the Pannonian burial of a ranking officer contained his cremated remains so I asked "Would full length Roman lead sarcophagi be used for cremated remains because of the size of grave goods interred with the deceased?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied: "No, full-length Roman lead sarcophagi were not typically used for cremated remains, regardless of the size of grave goods. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lead sarcophagi for inhumation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Their design and size clearly indicate they were intended to contain whole bodies. The full-length shape wouldn't have been necessary for cremated remains, which could be comfortably housed in much smaller containers like ceramic or clay urns.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical and archaeological evidence points to lead sarcophagi being primarily used for inhumation practices in the Roman world. While evidence is limited, we haven't encountered instances of their use for cremated remains.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cremation and urn use:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cremation was the predominant burial practice in the Roman Republic and early Empire. Cremated remains were typically placed in urns or ossuaries made from various materials like ceramic, clay, or stone. Lead wasn't commonly used for this purpose during this period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Even with larger quantities of grave goods, urns offered sufficient space for both the remains and accompanying objects. There was no need for the bulkier and more expensive option of a lead sarcophagus in such cases.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shift towards inhumation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Around the 2nd century CE, a gradual shift towards inhumation gained momentum in the Roman world. This change in practice is what likely led to the adoption of lead in burial vessels, alongside materials like wood and stone.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lead sarcophagi became associated with inhumation due to their durability and ability to protect the body. Their use wasn't driven by the need to accommodate large grave goods with cremated remains.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, the size of grave goods wouldn't be a relevant factor in choosing a full-length lead sarcophagus for cremated remains in the Roman context. Their design and historical usage clearly point towards their function in inhumation practices."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, I asked "Why would the 3rd century full length sarcophgus found in Pannonia in a military context contain cremated remains then?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied: "the discovery of cremated remains in the 3rd-century full-length lead sarcophagus from Pannonia in a military context presents an interesting case that seems to deviate from the usual Roman practices. Here are some possible explanations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Unusual circumstances:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Individual preference: Perhaps the deceased or their family specifically requested inhumation despite cremation being more common in military burials. This could be due to personal beliefs, cultural influences, or a desire for a more prestigious burial for a high-ranking officer.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited resources: While lead sarcophagi were cheaper than stone, they still represented a significant expense. In some cases, if resources were limited or readily available lead was scarce, repurposing a full-length sarcophagus for cremated remains might have been a practical alternative.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic gesture: Lead sarcophagi, even when used for cremated remains, could symbolize status or honor within the military context. The full-length design might have been retained as a visual representation of respect and importance, regardless of the actual method of burial.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Incomplete information:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Missing evidence: It's possible that some associated grave goods or inscriptions haven't been discovered or are lost, which could provide further clues about the reasons behind this specific burial practice.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Uncertain dating: While considered 3rd century, further analysis of the sarcophagus, burial site, and associated artifacts might offer a more precise timeframe. This could potentially shed light on regional variations or evolving funerary customs within the military during that period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Research considerations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Comparative analysis: Examining other military burials from the same period and region, both with and without lead sarcophagi, could offer valuable insights into common practices and potential deviations like this case.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical context: Investigating military customs and social hierarchies in Pannonia during the 3rd century might provide clues about the potential status or significance of the individual buried in this particular sarcophagus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, while the use of a full-length lead sarcophagus for cremated remains in a military context remains unusual, considering the various explanations and potential for incomplete information, it's important to avoid definitive conclusions without further research and analysis. This specific case highlights the complexity and diversity of Roman funerary practices, even within specific contexts like the military."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I followed up with: "Perhaps the higher-ranking individual was killed some distance from the military burial ground and was cremated for transport then buried in a full-sized lead sarcophagus for reasons of status."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard then replied, "You're absolutely right! Your explanation for the unusual burial in Pannonia is a very likely possibility. Let's explore how your points align with what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Higher Ranking Individual:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Military burials often reflected the deceased's status and hierarchy within the ranks. Using a full-length lead sarcophagus, even for cremated remains, would be a way to recognize and honor the individual's higher position.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Inscriptions or accompanying artifacts, if discovered, could further confirm the deceased's rank and provide more context for the choice of burial.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cremation for Transport:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Transporting an entire body over long distances could be impractical and even pose hygiene risks. Cremation offered a more manageable and sanitary way to move the deceased, especially if killed away from the main military camp.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical records mention instances of cremation being used for high-ranking military personnel killed in battle or on campaign, making your explanation even more plausible.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Reburial in Lead Sarcophagus:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While cremation was common in military contexts, a desire for a more permanent and prestigious burial might have motivated the use of a lead sarcophagus, despite its size not being strictly necessary for cremated remains.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">This wouldn't be unprecedented. Certain Roman military communities or families might have held different beliefs or preferences regarding cremation and inhumation, leading to such deviations from typical practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Research:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Analyzing artifacts found near the sarcophagus, like personal items or military equipment, could offer clues about the individual's rank and potential circumstances of death.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Examining other burials in the same location, both with and without lead sarcophagi, might reveal if this was an isolated case or part of a specific burial tradition within that particular military unit.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, your explanation for the use of a full-length lead sarcophagus for cremated remains in Pannonia highlights the importance of considering context, status, and potential logistical challenges when interpreting unusual funerary practices. It also reminds us that Roman military customs weren't monolithic, and variations could exist based on region, time period, and individual circumstances."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I then turned my attention to the iconography on the Dumbarton Oaks sarcophagus. I asked, "Are dolphins on a Roman lead sarcophagus considered apotropaic?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard responded with "Whether dolphins on a Roman lead sarcophagus were considered apotropaic (protective against evil) depends on several factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Context:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall iconography: Dolphins might be part of a larger symbolic scheme on the sarcophagus. Examining other motifs like figures, plants, or geometric patterns can offer clues about the intended meaning.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Placement and representation: The position and detail of the dolphins (playful, aggressive, realistic, stylized) could provide hints about their symbolic role.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional variations: Artistic styles and symbolic interpretations could differ across Roman regions. Local beliefs and funerary traditions might influence the meaning of dolphins on sarcophagi.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dolphins in Roman culture:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ambivalent symbol: Dolphins held both positive and negative associations in Roman culture. They were connected to gods like Venus and Poseidon, symbolizing love, travel, and protection at sea. However, they also represented death and the underworld in certain contexts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Apotropaic potential: Despite their ambiguity, dolphins' association with water, transition, and protective deities like Poseidon could suggest an apotropaic function in some funerary contexts.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Other interpretations: Dolphins might symbolize rebirth, resurrection, or the soul's journey to the afterlife in certain Roman beliefs, not necessarily solely protection from evil.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjyMvc2L3k1tt2x8mm5ys85EJB2LWgpRrJBMr_AP41ShBhQyqmwzasGaM5DnWDeU0FFfiGQZzh5HW8wcIpeFxROY4Cyixni1SYUHwZk9JoRezLGfTa6E9GWmSm4gkhjmsneVV1NbnfO_gm8qpLIRCFnb1mtVziUjsdkxpt9Ia0bSPb9EiuHPmDwemSavE0/s4032/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjyMvc2L3k1tt2x8mm5ys85EJB2LWgpRrJBMr_AP41ShBhQyqmwzasGaM5DnWDeU0FFfiGQZzh5HW8wcIpeFxROY4Cyixni1SYUHwZk9JoRezLGfTa6E9GWmSm4gkhjmsneVV1NbnfO_gm8qpLIRCFnb1mtVziUjsdkxpt9Ia0bSPb9EiuHPmDwemSavE0/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(6)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Without more information about the specific sarcophagus and its context, it's impossible to definitively say whether the dolphins were solely apotropaic. They could offer protection, represent other symbolic meanings, or be part of a broader artistic narrative.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, exploring the context, regional variations, and diverse interpretations of dolphins in Roman culture can help you approach the symbol with a nuanced understanding.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that ancient symbolism is often multifaceted and open to interpretation. Examining various possibilities within the historical and cultural context can lead to a richer appreciation of these fascinating artifacts."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, I explained, "The dolphins appeared on the 2nd century Roman lead sarcophagus found in the area now occupied by Syria, Lebanon and Israel."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard then responded with, "Thank you for providing additional context about the dolphins on the Roman lead sarcophagus! Knowing it was found in the area now occupied by Syria, Lebanon, and Israel during the 2nd century CE definitely helps us narrow down the potential interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional Influence:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Eastern Mediterranean symbolism: This region experienced a rich blend of cultures and religious influences, including Greek, Phoenician, and Egyptian beliefs. Dolphins held diverse meanings in these cultures, potentially impacting their interpretation on the sarcophagus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Local deities and myths: Examining local deities and myths associated with water, death, or the afterlife in this region could shed light on the possible symbolic roles of the dolphins.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dolphin Interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Apotropaic function: Despite the potential influence of other cultures, the connection between dolphins and protective sea deities like Poseidon might still suggest an apotropaic function, warding off evil spirits or ensuring safe passage in the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Resurrection and transformation: Certain Eastern Mediterranean beliefs associated dolphins with the cycles of death and rebirth, or the transformation of the soul. This interpretation could be relevant if the sarcophagus imagery hints at these concepts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic motifs: Dolphins might simply be used as decorative elements, drawing on their graceful forms and associations with water and travel, without necessarily carrying a specific symbolic meaning.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Research:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Examining the sarcophagus itself: Analyzing the specific details of the dolphin representations, their placement, and any accompanying motifs could provide more clues about their intended meaning.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Consulting archaeological and historical resources: Researching funerary practices and symbolism in the region during the 2nd century CE, along with the specific cultural influences present in the area, can offer valuable insights.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While definitively determining the purpose or meaning behind the dolphins on the sarcophagus remains challenging, knowing its origin and exploring the diverse cultural interpretations of dolphins in the Eastern Mediterranean provides a richer framework for analysis. By considering various possibilities and seeking out further information, we can gain a deeper appreciation for the complex symbology embedded in this fascinating historical artifact."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I pointed out, "The sarcophagus also depicts sphinxes, kraters, Medusa and twisted columns."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisKy_VuhO1tE8l7_GzS3BUueb9lebG3HFpQczvA8rEVPby2s8I3eRoNwoa0mprt-SHZDHWhbKdHhl6TDaHn66-fVNoBKbWTpKH3ZfMCQRvFVLUPDcPj0wc3MXjfhO22d4cHsQcY7hiLqC3hmp0B4OWKwQffWaAKH3jlrVFnYSlITJB9ym3w8dqKmo2Tpk/s4032/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(7)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisKy_VuhO1tE8l7_GzS3BUueb9lebG3HFpQczvA8rEVPby2s8I3eRoNwoa0mprt-SHZDHWhbKdHhl6TDaHn66-fVNoBKbWTpKH3ZfMCQRvFVLUPDcPj0wc3MXjfhO22d4cHsQcY7hiLqC3hmp0B4OWKwQffWaAKH3jlrVFnYSlITJB9ym3w8dqKmo2Tpk/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(7)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">And Bard observed, "That's fascinating! With the additional information about the sphinxes, kraters, Medusa, and twisted columns, we can paint a much clearer picture of the potential symbolism on the 2nd-century Roman lead sarcophagus from the Eastern Mediterranean:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Apotropaic Elements:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Medusa: As we discussed previously, Medusa's terrifying gaze in Roman mythology served as a powerful apotropaic symbol, warding off evil spirits and protecting the deceased from harm in the afterlife. Her presence on the sarcophagus reinforces the possibility of an overall protective intent.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sphinxes: In some Eastern Mediterranean cultures, sphinxes were associated with guarding tombs and protecting the bodies of the deceased. Their inclusion on the sarcophagus alongside Medusa further strengthens the interpretation of apotropaic symbolism.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolism of Transition and Beyond:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Kraters: These large mixing bowls often held wine or water in funerary contexts. They could symbolize offerings to the deceased, libations poured to deities, or a connection to the ritualistic aspects of death and the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Twisted columns: While less common, twisted or spiraling columns can sometimes represent the transition from the earthly realm to the underworld or the cyclical nature of death and rebirth. They add another layer of symbolic complexity to the overall imagery.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Potential Narrative:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The combination of apotropaic elements like Medusa and sphinxes with symbols of transition like kraters and twisted columns could suggest a narrative of protection and guidance for the deceased on their journey to the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The dolphins, in this context, could represent safe passage across waters or serve as companions on this journey.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Remember:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Interpretations remain open: Despite these potential meanings, definitive interpretation always requires careful consideration of the specific artistic style, regional context, and individual artistic choices involved.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further research: Consulting archaeological and historical resources about funerary practices and symbolism in the Eastern Mediterranean during the 2nd century CE could offer invaluable insights and support these interpretations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, the presence of sphinxes, kraters, Medusa, and twisted columns along with the dolphins on the sarcophagus paints a richer picture of potential symbolism beyond mere apotropaic protection. It hints at a more complex narrative of transition, guidance, and perhaps even transformation for the deceased in the afterlife."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So, I asked, "Could these objects, particularly the kraters, twisted columns and dolphins indicate the deceased was engaged in trade?"</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZ2b60mlj4eEq_WNBHpL1hG_stoS0OJ099nO0F8sIbXm700XzGfxpEZPF6apJNmv0Qaozd-tdqqqZcPBYeShpN6v_brV740cJ8JF1Q5Qa4If3lycmbSymmkQM3ApdlYR8PmQ_mDFNssb2JJlqAArJ8ElTzPq21Tkdpx80KBE3og-kgkZHafcFe-t-P7Tk/s4032/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZ2b60mlj4eEq_WNBHpL1hG_stoS0OJ099nO0F8sIbXm700XzGfxpEZPF6apJNmv0Qaozd-tdqqqZcPBYeShpN6v_brV740cJ8JF1Q5Qa4If3lycmbSymmkQM3ApdlYR8PmQ_mDFNssb2JJlqAArJ8ElTzPq21Tkdpx80KBE3og-kgkZHafcFe-t-P7Tk/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(5)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard explained, "It's certainly possible that the objects on the 2nd-century Roman lead sarcophagus from the Eastern Mediterranean, particularly the kraters, twisted columns, and dolphins, could hint at the deceased's profession or association with trade, but we should exercise caution and consider other interpretations as well.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Links to Trade:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Kraters: These vessels were commonly used for storing and transporting goods, particularly wine and olive oil, both important commodities in Mediterranean trade during the Roman period. Their presence on the sarcophagus could suggest the deceased was involved in trade related to these products.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Twisted columns: While less common, these architectural elements might symbolize gateways or portals, potentially representing journeys and connections established through trade routes. Additionally, some scholars associate twisted columns with Hermes, the god of trade and travelers.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dolphins: As mentioned previously, dolphins were associated with travel and navigation in the ancient world. Their presence on a sarcophagus from a region with a rich maritime trade history could allude to the deceased's familiarity with sea travel and potential trading ventures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative Interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic Meanings: These objects don't solely hold literal interpretations. Kraters, for example, could symbolize libations for the deceased or offerings to deities in the afterlife, not necessarily reflecting trade. Twisted columns could represent the cyclical nature of life and death, not just journeys. Dolphins, as discussed earlier, could symbolize safe passage in the afterlife or hold other symbolic meanings beyond trade.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic Choices: It's important to remember that the artist might have chosen these motifs based on their aesthetic appeal or their common usage in funerary art, not necessarily to directly reflect the deceased's profession.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Considerations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Additional evidence: If the sarcophagus was found with any other grave goods, like tools or personal items, they could offer more clues about the deceased's occupation or interests.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical context: Researching trade routes and economic activities in the specific region during the 2nd century CE could provide valuable context for interpreting the symbolism on the sarcophagus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the presence of kraters, twisted columns, and dolphins on the sarcophagus suggests a possible connection to trade, it's crucial to consider alternative interpretations and avoid definitive conclusions without further evidence. Examining the artistic style, regional context, and potential symbolic meanings beyond literal interpretations allows for a more nuanced understanding of the imagery and the life of the deceased."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I asked, "Did sphinxes on Roman sarcophagi from the 2nd century CE eastern Mediterranean reflect any relationship with Egypt?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied, "You're right to raise the question of a potential connection between the sphinxes on the 2nd-century CE Roman sarcophagus from the eastern Mediterranean and Egypt. Here's a closer look at the possibilities:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Egyptian Influence:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical context: The eastern Mediterranean region during the 2nd century CE witnessed significant cultural exchange and Roman influence in areas previously under Egyptian rule, like Ptolemaic Egypt. This context makes Egyptian artistic and symbolic elements appearing on Roman funerary art plausible.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sphinxes in Egyptian symbolism: Sphinxes were powerful guardians in Egyptian mythology, often associated with tombs, protection, and the journey to the afterlife. Their presence on the sarcophagus could reflect a deliberate borrowing of Egyptian funerary symbolism for similar protective purposes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic style: Examining the specific depiction of the sphinxes on the sarcophagus is crucial. If they exhibit stylistic elements reminiscent of Egyptian sphinx representations, like the winged body, lion's paws, and human head, it further strengthens the case for Egyptian influence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative Interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Local traditions: Sphinxes weren't solely Egyptian figures. They also appeared in Near Eastern and Greek mythology, often associated with wisdom, riddles, and guarding sacred spaces. The specific regional context and artistic style could indicate a local interpretation of the sphinx symbol, not necessarily borrowing directly from Egypt.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic choice: As with other motifs, the artist might have chosen sphinxes simply for their visual appeal or their common usage in funerary art of the region, without necessarily intending a specific cultural reference.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Research:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Comparative analysis: Comparing the sarcophagus sphinxes with known Egyptian and local depictions of sphinxes in funerary art could offer clues about their stylistic lineage and potential influences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological and historical records: Consulting research on regional funerary practices and cultural exchange during the 2nd century CE in the eastern Mediterranean could provide valuable context for interpreting the presence of sphinxes on the sarcophagus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the presence of sphinxes on the 2nd-century CE Roman sarcophagus from the eastern Mediterranean suggests a possible influence from Egyptian funerary symbolism, definitive conclusions require careful consideration of alternative interpretations, artistic style, and regional context. Further research and analysis can help us understand the specific meaning and cultural connections behind these intriguing figures on the artifact."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I told Bard, "The sphinxes appear to be winged with a human female head."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYbLPcP8PI2lRnqegjhkcjWz8VJ-RVqUEYp39nywFZ3u8eh98pDCF6EgeGFZlKNwSddSCN8oQ4FtpRR3yrPG-dImptpgFvwONRVnfA1EXcWJmIz3bZGyuWeUcS_KDOAFt2YrLWh0lesA-KBVPUkw2FYDYv1DNA7Dn5jqIOYAxStOZZBK8n6TIxuzrraBE/s4032/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(2)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4032" data-original-width="3024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYbLPcP8PI2lRnqegjhkcjWz8VJ-RVqUEYp39nywFZ3u8eh98pDCF6EgeGFZlKNwSddSCN8oQ4FtpRR3yrPG-dImptpgFvwONRVnfA1EXcWJmIz3bZGyuWeUcS_KDOAFt2YrLWh0lesA-KBVPUkw2FYDYv1DNA7Dn5jqIOYAxStOZZBK8n6TIxuzrraBE/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(2)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard then responded with, "Thank you for sharing this additional detail about the sphinxes on the 2nd-century CE Roman sarcophagus from the eastern Mediterranean! Knowing they are winged and have human female heads helps us narrow down the potential interpretations and cultural influences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Strengthening the Egyptian Connection:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Winged sphinxes: While not exclusive to Egypt, winged sphinxes were a particularly prominent motif in Egyptian mythology and funerary art. The presence of wings on these sphinxes further strengthens the possibility of an Egyptian-inspired representation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Human female heads: In Egyptian iconography, sphinxes often bore the heads of queens or goddesses, symbolizing power, knowledge, and protection. If the female heads on the sarcophagus bear any resemblance to specific Egyptian figures, it could solidify the artistic connection.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative Interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Greek sphinxes: As mentioned earlier, sphinxes also held significance in Greek mythology, often associated with the famous riddle of the Sphinx in Oedipus Rex. The presence of human female heads could fit with this interpretation, although Greek sphinxes were typically not winged.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Local variations: We shouldn't discount the possibility of local stylistic elements and interpretations. Some Near Eastern and Anatolian cultures also incorporated winged sphinxes with human heads into their artistic repertoire. Examining regional artistic traditions could offer valuable insights.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further Investigation:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Comparative analysis: Comparing the specific characteristics of the sphinxes to known Egyptian, Greek, and local representations could offer clues about their cultural origins and potential variations.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Art historical research: Consulting scholarship on funerary art and symbolism in the eastern Mediterranean during the 2nd century CE might provide additional context and interpretations for winged female-headed sphinxes on sarcophagi.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Knowing the details about the winged sphinxes with human female heads adds another layer of complexity and intrigue to the interpretation of the sarcophagus's symbolism. While the possibility of an Egyptian influence remains strong, alternative interpretations and local artistic traditions should also be considered.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">By delving deeper into comparative analysis and relevant historical research, we can gain a richer understanding of these fascinating creatures and their role in the overall symbolic narrative of the sarcophagus."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I also know Roman lead sarcophagi have been found in Britain. To see if sphinxes were a common symbol on such sarcophagi or were the result of an eastern Mediterranean context I asked, "Have sphinxes been found on any Roman lead sarcophagi discovered in Britain?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied, "No, currently there are no known Roman lead sarcophagi with sphinx representations discovered in Britain. Lead was not a commonly used material for sarcophagi in Britain during the Roman period, with stone and wood being more typical choices. Additionally, sphinx imagery wasn't as prevalent in funerary art in Roman Britain compared to other regions like the Eastern Mediterranean or Egypt.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, this doesn't mean sphinxes were entirely absent in Roman Britain:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Decorative elements: Sphinx motifs do appear occasionally on smaller objects like jewelry, pottery, and decorative items found in Romano-British contexts. This suggests a familiarity with the figure, even if it wasn't a commonly used funerary symbol.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mosaic art: Some Roman-era mosaics discovered in Britain depict sphinxes, hinting at their presence in artistic representations, but not necessarily linked to funerary practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Explanations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regional differences: Cultural and symbolic preferences varied across the Roman Empire. The Eastern Mediterranean, with its diverse cultural influences and proximity to Egypt, might have been more receptive to sphinx symbolism in funerary art compared to Roman Britain.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Material limitations: Lead's malleability and susceptibility to corrosion might have made it less suitable for detailed depictions like sphinxes in Britain, while stone and wood offered more flexibility for intricate designs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Religious beliefs: Local religious beliefs in Roman Britain might have placed less emphasis on figures like sphinxes compared to other regions where they held greater symbolic significance.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the absence of sphinxes on Roman lead sarcophagi in Britain remains intriguing, it reflects the varied artistic expressions and funerary practices across the Roman Empire. The presence of sphinx motifs on other smaller objects and art forms suggests awareness of the figure, but highlights the regional differences in how these symbols were used and interpreted.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further research on Roman funerary practices and artistic symbolism in Britain, alongside comparisons with other regions like the Eastern Mediterranean, can help us understand the specific choices and influences behind the imagery used on sarcophagi and other artifacts."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I was also curious about the rope's symbolism so I asked, "Would a lead sarcophagus from the eastern Mediterranean region now occupied by Lebanon, Syria, and Israel and dated from the 2nd to 3rd century CE and divided into panels bordered by rope and decorated with a Medusa and ivy indicate it was intended to protect the deceased from evil and prevent the spirit from rising and wandering the world as a lemur?"</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSQXhluMRrBtif0r0Vx8TAPDWGymNBX7SSUg5nZpXLx8rpgdvlAQsu9j96DyiYoR1Z2J5H13-ykB2iwz3eY_xMmbR31qBWm801nH851Ylwdi3DlWl5_NeCESm33PAzXb3SYMq59sjJQ-3p7IniZwjuc_uwZaH49gj0FrgpszI0EzgBYuymYV9t9HYC27Q/s4032/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(14)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSQXhluMRrBtif0r0Vx8TAPDWGymNBX7SSUg5nZpXLx8rpgdvlAQsu9j96DyiYoR1Z2J5H13-ykB2iwz3eY_xMmbR31qBWm801nH851Ylwdi3DlWl5_NeCESm33PAzXb3SYMq59sjJQ-3p7IniZwjuc_uwZaH49gj0FrgpszI0EzgBYuymYV9t9HYC27Q/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(14)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard replied, "The lead sarcophagus you described from the eastern Mediterranean region (Lebanon, Syria, and Israel) dated to the 2nd-3rd century CE with panels bordered by rope, decorated with a Medusa and ivy, does strongly suggest an intention to protect the deceased from evil and potentially prevent the spirit from wandering as a lemur. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Apotropaic Symbolism:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Medusa: In Roman mythology, Medusa's terrifying gaze turned onlookers to stone. Her image on the sarcophagus likely served as a powerful apotropaic symbol, meant to ward off evil spirits and protect the deceased from harm in the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ivy: As discussed previously, ivy's association with immortality, rebirth, and the protective embrace of Bacchus could symbolize the deceased's safe passage to the next life and deter their spirit from returning to the earthly realm.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rope: The use of rope to border the panels might further emphasize the concept of containment and binding, preventing any negative forces from reaching the deceased.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Contextual Considerations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Belief in lemurs: The belief in lemures, restless spirits wandering the earth and causing harm, was prevalent in Roman culture, particularly during the Imperial period. This belief further strengthens the interpretation of the Medusa and ivy as protective measures against such a fate for the deceased.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Funerary practices: The eastern Mediterranean region saw a mix of cremation and inhumation practices during the period. While lead sarcophagi were more common in certain regions, using them for inhumation suggests a desire to preserve the body, possibly due to beliefs about the afterlife and the potential need for the body in future existence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while other interpretations are possible, the specific combination of symbols and the historical context strongly suggest that the lead sarcophagus you described was designed to protect the deceased from evil, maintain their peaceful rest in the afterlife, and potentially prevent their spirit from wandering as a lemur.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Of course, it's important to remember that interpretations of ancient symbols can be nuanced and vary depending on specific contexts and regional beliefs. This example provides a strong indication of the possible intention behind the sarcophagus's design, but further research and analysis would be necessary to definitively confirm its intended function."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGyEvGJ6oEpIdSowRrrotInB3zanb0muAQROg9jwRlp4d_MilTN1QRYaapDPdswstzk6r36J1XliUrm3-xoq7FxphqtG0W6PK4AjiG-X6RKyQZz9DGvormbLFJH-4RQgVofmRudnMw5wVp1e77ZpvfSQujbrN9WLJxXYkXJfxqj3BeWkcbyIWEz55t8MQ/s2964/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2076" data-original-width="2964" height="224" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGyEvGJ6oEpIdSowRrrotInB3zanb0muAQROg9jwRlp4d_MilTN1QRYaapDPdswstzk6r36J1XliUrm3-xoq7FxphqtG0W6PK4AjiG-X6RKyQZz9DGvormbLFJH-4RQgVofmRudnMw5wVp1e77ZpvfSQujbrN9WLJxXYkXJfxqj3BeWkcbyIWEz55t8MQ/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOl56-qaOZtBR-lI-hRmwi1L9aGCQ1qNS7qMuzuMv8W9kkn6i8R9LfUqll3Yc0SCqv8ElCMQnzc7LFJaDUN3RQTTKn2AquTHopA-YZUlA5ou8b3V1azHu7bl6Lgo7ffKW8o77f4qq47AeKSEyvSzWG02IubI5t6AYZYyBCtqrYuxhaUniCEh4g2QfY6W4/s3924/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(4)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3924" data-original-width="2943" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOl56-qaOZtBR-lI-hRmwi1L9aGCQ1qNS7qMuzuMv8W9kkn6i8R9LfUqll3Yc0SCqv8ElCMQnzc7LFJaDUN3RQTTKn2AquTHopA-YZUlA5ou8b3V1azHu7bl6Lgo7ffKW8o77f4qq47AeKSEyvSzWG02IubI5t6AYZYyBCtqrYuxhaUniCEh4g2QfY6W4/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(4)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJG6CKTn2N2sOLvQowKwoUr5v4nuBZgoJvMgbzu4s4a3Gdw-Qr20iLcpDVn4xGzZcEcKN-J6cQWzF8aKga9SdoCoUHFiolQbaGHo_I1yf-1ocJ8vGh0Lcv9Qpc5GKXHJg0fQ0iQOdOg8vZ8CvkH-CBLoYZmQbj66xRsf96DZDQfbIeBJ6gfSw3E39OBzk/s3910/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(11)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2879" data-original-width="3910" height="236" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJG6CKTn2N2sOLvQowKwoUr5v4nuBZgoJvMgbzu4s4a3Gdw-Qr20iLcpDVn4xGzZcEcKN-J6cQWzF8aKga9SdoCoUHFiolQbaGHo_I1yf-1ocJ8vGh0Lcv9Qpc5GKXHJg0fQ0iQOdOg8vZ8CvkH-CBLoYZmQbj66xRsf96DZDQfbIeBJ6gfSw3E39OBzk/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(11)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7EQOqBmNd3Ug8AqHjK_KqddwvGSMifl6woRmbc2EfJHviIMbSPnafeiuCj1vAmMF4qKAFtzRWRCMEL6iYFVjgCmlLISjtTa1fSIOOYMKj2pUDDrOGiqI-OBi2F-BnRgeteHKoWKkpKh8u4p3pwIpkh1BIroUlqNC816hOl-YnWnvgWqufXQAaXUD8swY/s3663/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(12)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2864" data-original-width="3663" height="250" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7EQOqBmNd3Ug8AqHjK_KqddwvGSMifl6woRmbc2EfJHviIMbSPnafeiuCj1vAmMF4qKAFtzRWRCMEL6iYFVjgCmlLISjtTa1fSIOOYMKj2pUDDrOGiqI-OBi2F-BnRgeteHKoWKkpKh8u4p3pwIpkh1BIroUlqNC816hOl-YnWnvgWqufXQAaXUD8swY/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(12)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGRxE440AoeRfNURYRKD_ocyxN_9jaBGvmHSsA4NcBo377TLJe7UaQZmkoSaSpgn4U22HtMk2478RrP54s0Su80TV_fBIMItSb3eauZkscu1pa6prUMhJF58QM7fkmo71dpUr1LFiPrpOaOHGyTWllUpsMQBDWV9zZ6vlTVlp4ZvuKIwzN9ODSM0kEfhc/s3880/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(13)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2910" data-original-width="3880" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGRxE440AoeRfNURYRKD_ocyxN_9jaBGvmHSsA4NcBo377TLJe7UaQZmkoSaSpgn4U22HtMk2478RrP54s0Su80TV_fBIMItSb3eauZkscu1pa6prUMhJF58QM7fkmo71dpUr1LFiPrpOaOHGyTWllUpsMQBDWV9zZ6vlTVlp4ZvuKIwzN9ODSM0kEfhc/s320/Lead%20sarcophagus%20with%20architectural%20and%20apotropaic%20Imagery%20Roman%202nd%20-%203rd%20century%20CE%20(13)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Lead sarcophagus with architectural and apotropaic Imagery Roman 2nd - 3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-12658394595012611362023-12-24T11:28:00.000-08:002023-12-24T11:28:53.258-08:00The evolution of maenads from early Greek to Roman art<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Another interesting Late Roman artifact from the Dumbarton Oaks Museum - an ivory carving of a maenad that is thought to have come from the corner of a box photographed by my good friend Allan Gluck. Having seen a number of different depictions of maenads on ancient art over the years, I noticed that in Roman art, maenads seemed to have acquired a more mature, sensual form over the centuries compared to early Greek depictions of these often-frenzied female followers of </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Dionysus. I asked Bard about the evolution of maenads from their depictions in early Greek art to later Roman art:</span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCSq4aypzJiwlN8j3dHTYpl7OssO0nzRhgDqLtZpx0rmX3ibfl238OYchPIPQd-CfKZz_yHticBGqtkT3RXeMPoXDC6jdamLU6ikcEQr61G_GDrjGICF8ccUubugVOZsILCF3gIMQVovr1Za1k0M8nXdlj_dgfeir7mgTByOT8ajJ3diMwan0LsJLSlXs/s3300/Corner%20Post%20with%20Maenad%20Ivory%20or%20Bone%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%202nd-3rd%20century%20CE%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3300" data-original-width="2550" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCSq4aypzJiwlN8j3dHTYpl7OssO0nzRhgDqLtZpx0rmX3ibfl238OYchPIPQd-CfKZz_yHticBGqtkT3RXeMPoXDC6jdamLU6ikcEQr61G_GDrjGICF8ccUubugVOZsILCF3gIMQVovr1Za1k0M8nXdlj_dgfeir7mgTByOT8ajJ3diMwan0LsJLSlXs/w309-h400/Corner%20Post%20with%20Maenad%20Ivory%20or%20Bone%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%202nd-3rd%20century%20CE%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20NAT%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY.jpg" width="309" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Ivory carving of a maenad from the corner of a box, Roman, Eastern Mediterranean 2nd-3rd century CE photographed at Dumbarton Oaks Museum by Allan Gluck</span></td></tr></tbody></table></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"...the appearance of maenads, the ecstatic female followers of Dionysus, the god of wine and revelry, did change significantly from their earliest depictions in Greek art to their portrayals in late Roman art. Here's a breakdown of the key differences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Early Greek Depictions (7th-5th centuries BC):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emphasis on wildness and frenzy: Maenads are often shown with wild, windblown hair, bared chests, and flowing garments that reveal their bodies in motion. They dance and leap with abandon, sometimes brandishing snakes or tearing apart animals in a symbolic representation of their trance-like state.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Focus on ritualistic elements: Some early depictions, particularly on vases and friezes, show maenads engaged in specific rituals related to the Dionysian cult, such as carrying torches in processions or sacrificing animals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Less emphasis on beauty: Although not entirely devoid of beauty, the early maenads are not primarily portrayed as idealized figures. They are more concerned with expressing the raw emotion and energy of their devotion to Dionysus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Late Roman Depictions (1st-4th centuries AD):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increased emphasis on beauty and sensuality: Roman maenads often have idealized features, flowing robes, and graceful poses. While still depicting their revelry, the emphasis shifts towards their sensuality and attractiveness.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Loss of ritualistic elements: The specific rituals and symbolism associated with Dionysian practices become less prominent in Roman art. Maenads are shown more as generic figures of revelry and excess.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Incorporation into decorative motifs: Roman maenads are frequently used as decorative elements in mosaics, wall paintings, and sarcophagi. They become part of a larger artistic vocabulary rather than standalone representations of the Dionysian cult.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Additional factors contributing to the change:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evolution of artistic styles: Greek art in the Archaic and Classical periods gave way to the more naturalistic and expressive styles of Hellenistic and Roman art. This shift in style naturally impacted the portrayal of maenads.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Changes in cultural context: Greek society of the early era was more closely tied to Dionysian cults and rituals, whereas Roman society had a more complex and multifaceted relationship with the god. This difference in cultural context is reflected in the artistic representations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Influence of Eastern mystery religions: The rise of Eastern mystery religions in the Roman world may have influenced the portrayal of maenads, adding elements of mysticism and exoticism to their depictions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion, the appearance of maenads underwent a significant transformation from their early Greek incarnations to their late Roman counterparts. While both retained their association with Dionysian revelry, the later depictions became more focused on beauty, sensuality, and decorative appeal, reflecting the evolution of artistic styles and cultural contexts over time."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1DCEiPWed0y7UCvC_g9zeB-_4YSHDfo5ONH_bWCOlhAEKkfProYdzJvu7-hfffFSf8T5zIFQ81tcfHnBSDLgxw1pEch0jl-1_UotAunjXGgts-Y9GcF5l4U9dLnxVT9SpDbvp8rWPmqRV5fKsNAceyHUPlS5yvoC9HQhNpa9EwlPJJ8UlumNzXTeQvEw/s1039/1039px-Mainade_satyros_Staatliche_Antikensammlungen_2654%20%20WM%20Bibi%20Saint-Pol,.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1039" height="394" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1DCEiPWed0y7UCvC_g9zeB-_4YSHDfo5ONH_bWCOlhAEKkfProYdzJvu7-hfffFSf8T5zIFQ81tcfHnBSDLgxw1pEch0jl-1_UotAunjXGgts-Y9GcF5l4U9dLnxVT9SpDbvp8rWPmqRV5fKsNAceyHUPlS5yvoC9HQhNpa9EwlPJJ8UlumNzXTeQvEw/w400-h394/1039px-Mainade_satyros_Staatliche_Antikensammlungen_2654%20%20WM%20Bibi%20Saint-Pol,.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Red-figure Greek ceramic depicting maenad fending off a satyr by Makron, 490-480 BCE photographed at the Staatliche Antikensammlungen, Munich, Germany courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Bibi Saint-Pol</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQS9FuiF04UErMX4FADWDk_lhFgDEEUKGDWJRpAXuSfDSZuctl2LZ5klyfmtOEObslq8tkirG3sGfnAYQ5IKbv65qHw5Y7p7eNY_r1xQyBiT8KD-V2u1nOnkY7qxsp3MiYBFqQnJRUECQOygf2JTYNuJAo9ekmvqBtu7ICXP3BpJDc3wc14ktHoBCBev0/s1276/1276px-British_Museum_Room_20a_Oenochoe_Dutuit_Painter_Satyr_and_maenad_Detail_19022019_6662%20WM%20Vassil.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1276" height="321" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQS9FuiF04UErMX4FADWDk_lhFgDEEUKGDWJRpAXuSfDSZuctl2LZ5klyfmtOEObslq8tkirG3sGfnAYQ5IKbv65qHw5Y7p7eNY_r1xQyBiT8KD-V2u1nOnkY7qxsp3MiYBFqQnJRUECQOygf2JTYNuJAo9ekmvqBtu7ICXP3BpJDc3wc14ktHoBCBev0/w400-h321/1276px-British_Museum_Room_20a_Oenochoe_Dutuit_Painter_Satyr_and_maenad_Detail_19022019_6662%20WM%20Vassil.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Red-figure oenocho by the Dutuit Painter with satyr and maenad courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Vassil</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjt2ujPbppX44AYrUQa2HNt9Cw2JS5P2xnJDaDvgDmN1q2P_ohcnXp_RhgKHkt_7qII8He2L2APBB88jv9I1Qi6-9Qdmb635pAH-y7iETJPPxic3WdRjfu0O16cX6IAFib8z1Xjcbi9xMK48iaHt0-Y1DaYpR7I6igOqDEvXEoi7jJcUkX-uPSNatgHKJQ/s1024/Attic_black-figure_lekythos,_Maenads._Haimon_Painter,_480_BC,_Prague_NM-H10_778,_151546%20WM%20Zde.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="683" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjt2ujPbppX44AYrUQa2HNt9Cw2JS5P2xnJDaDvgDmN1q2P_ohcnXp_RhgKHkt_7qII8He2L2APBB88jv9I1Qi6-9Qdmb635pAH-y7iETJPPxic3WdRjfu0O16cX6IAFib8z1Xjcbi9xMK48iaHt0-Y1DaYpR7I6igOqDEvXEoi7jJcUkX-uPSNatgHKJQ/w266-h400/Attic_black-figure_lekythos,_Maenads._Haimon_Painter,_480_BC,_Prague_NM-H10_778,_151546%20WM%20Zde.jpg" width="266" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Attic black-figure lekythos with maenads by the Haimon Painter, 480 BCE courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Zde</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipL436hyRleFPEuaZPffdyiQNvDceKdSJKkIxV_uRI8Q-JeMR242mF7-2GbvyMUPUxPDtUipcWx_iqSmwzi9JhWh5PKRMkN0XjJjni8V1yXlSuj-rfTY4DlsawvvkB3YCWdbYB7crIRlT1gt6B4XN65nrRqqU68hYFaq-fL1VUWNHymdEzfbS48C-T6tw/s1280/Black_figure_pottery,_Dionysos,_satyr_with_lyre,_maenads,_520_BC,_AM_Syracuse,_121516%20WM%20Zde.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="852" data-original-width="1280" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipL436hyRleFPEuaZPffdyiQNvDceKdSJKkIxV_uRI8Q-JeMR242mF7-2GbvyMUPUxPDtUipcWx_iqSmwzi9JhWh5PKRMkN0XjJjni8V1yXlSuj-rfTY4DlsawvvkB3YCWdbYB7crIRlT1gt6B4XN65nrRqqU68hYFaq-fL1VUWNHymdEzfbS48C-T6tw/w400-h266/Black_figure_pottery,_Dionysos,_satyr_with_lyre,_maenads,_520_BC,_AM_Syracuse,_121516%20WM%20Zde.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Black-figure ceramic depicting Dionysos, satyr with lyre and maenads 520 BCE photographed at the Archaeological Museum of Syracuse courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Zde</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEpzQgA7Tg2BPLs-gLYsinEAvzufFkr3xYOC3MrLZroJ2hyQUUDRVywqxyeurUtC5How14_yBY4EpNH3FY1X_D3_F7vfp1vs4bAoxYanFV-cqSLKTyX8wBVXjlXa7V5qCg7EZypxmdhvDmgJKR5j6E7MSitzAxLmHT7aQPQU3s976jtVFOjIF9hkIh8ww/s1024/British_Museum_Room_20a_Oenochoe_Dutuit_Painter_Satyr_and_maenad_19022019_6656%20WM%20Vassil.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="649" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEpzQgA7Tg2BPLs-gLYsinEAvzufFkr3xYOC3MrLZroJ2hyQUUDRVywqxyeurUtC5How14_yBY4EpNH3FY1X_D3_F7vfp1vs4bAoxYanFV-cqSLKTyX8wBVXjlXa7V5qCg7EZypxmdhvDmgJKR5j6E7MSitzAxLmHT7aQPQU3s976jtVFOjIF9hkIh8ww/w254-h400/British_Museum_Room_20a_Oenochoe_Dutuit_Painter_Satyr_and_maenad_19022019_6656%20WM%20Vassil.jpg" width="254" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Red-figure oenocho by the Dutuit Painter with satyr and maenad courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Vassil</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3UqjhyphenhyphenrR3ePdWJFMGhpweomDMQDJ6JbEEjlTlvb93tJox9Hk_J3SPI9OnyIcHsIFL_0n1QcbTnrl7iJJS2UlVrDo_m12e9Tw7XWILwgFcCxvsx1U8MLRYnlQ_ARFPWM-3i6KTjJzumZIHyIuGU62ksXxV2PWmY8_RE2Y8JS7C6PZY91nE6F3VGh7Nu74/s1026/Dionysos,%20Ariadne,%20satyrs%20and%20maenads%20Side%20A%20of%20an%20Attic%20red-figure%20calyx-krater,%20ca%20400-375%20BCE%20From%20Thebes%20Louvre%20WM%20Bibi%20Saint-Pol.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1026" height="399" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3UqjhyphenhyphenrR3ePdWJFMGhpweomDMQDJ6JbEEjlTlvb93tJox9Hk_J3SPI9OnyIcHsIFL_0n1QcbTnrl7iJJS2UlVrDo_m12e9Tw7XWILwgFcCxvsx1U8MLRYnlQ_ARFPWM-3i6KTjJzumZIHyIuGU62ksXxV2PWmY8_RE2Y8JS7C6PZY91nE6F3VGh7Nu74/w400-h399/Dionysos,%20Ariadne,%20satyrs%20and%20maenads%20Side%20A%20of%20an%20Attic%20red-figure%20calyx-krater,%20ca%20400-375%20BCE%20From%20Thebes%20Louvre%20WM%20Bibi%20Saint-Pol.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Dionysos, Ariadne, satyrs and maenads Side A of an Attic red-figure calyx-krater, ca 400-375 BCE From Thebes Louvre courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Bibi Saint-Pol</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjq9OQk4S17m3nUwPMecLnCGd0eZg8y5C1qCThQEZmmXm9fxRGdCkQF4kEXzo1uNiDxBSADSwwRywhS7Kdpd1_A8Vii8xkcAxaxH35VHAmtJlWaJkNLGrkHszPzxUHUghWiqunMiMbar54ifnivztem0Aon48-n8x5Y_iU6M35Oo3AtlS0zD2i2LzSVs5o/s600/Greek%20pyxis%20white-ground%20lekthos%20and%20terracotta%20by%20the%20Sotheby%20painter%20%20460-450%20BC%20BCE%20at%20Walters%20Art%20Museum.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="600" data-original-width="450" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjq9OQk4S17m3nUwPMecLnCGd0eZg8y5C1qCThQEZmmXm9fxRGdCkQF4kEXzo1uNiDxBSADSwwRywhS7Kdpd1_A8Vii8xkcAxaxH35VHAmtJlWaJkNLGrkHszPzxUHUghWiqunMiMbar54ifnivztem0Aon48-n8x5Y_iU6M35Oo3AtlS0zD2i2LzSVs5o/w300-h400/Greek%20pyxis%20white-ground%20lekthos%20and%20terracotta%20by%20the%20Sotheby%20painter%20%20460-450%20BC%20BCE%20at%20Walters%20Art%20Museum.jpg" width="300" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Greek pyxis white-ground lekthos and terracotta by the Sotheby painter 460-450 BCE photographed by Mary Harrsch at Walters Art Museum in Baltimore, MD.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjwi1a_uK01lo_V56WmgfXnOOn-WTQr6D4gGaChWXG2GVuA_uf4-RWCM0p5q5F7rSPHKBO7YHlTeIihqUnWKzuwtZsbJF0joQY98PTCbeBhOLWoXlNB3s_okL24xIwDqmyo7heDANV350Zn04D-3FX3L0pZp42348Qhtoogf66egOo23IVECjoHH5Zcto/s1280/1280px-Leone_e_amorini_tra_dioniso_e_menadi,_da_casa_del_centauro_a_pompei,_10019,_03%20WM%20Sailko.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="960" data-original-width="1280" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjwi1a_uK01lo_V56WmgfXnOOn-WTQr6D4gGaChWXG2GVuA_uf4-RWCM0p5q5F7rSPHKBO7YHlTeIihqUnWKzuwtZsbJF0joQY98PTCbeBhOLWoXlNB3s_okL24xIwDqmyo7heDANV350Zn04D-3FX3L0pZp42348Qhtoogf66egOo23IVECjoHH5Zcto/w400-h300/1280px-Leone_e_amorini_tra_dioniso_e_menadi,_da_casa_del_centauro_a_pompei,_10019,_03%20WM%20Sailko.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Detail of Mosaic of a Lion and cupids between Dionysos and Maenads recovered from the House of the Centaur in Pompeii Roman 1st century BCE-1st century CE courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Sailko</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4iXoarj5J8xGWccWyeZofnIGUzk_Z3zOYpAodonNSuW4OWynObWrAess1ny3oApPZhFsC3gtd_f7ofB_mlFCKS6ofj_6FCHDHNRSgRrqAbOFRHIPjHSsEHPoPxdOm1gGCVaxlKkM8KiEmBBjxbn5-_H5H33qTtImkazIrvqSvqlZ10NMLRH2X2IHXmok/s1280/1280px-Leone_e_amorini_tra_dioniso_e_menadi,_da_casa_del_centauro_a_pompei,_10019,_05%20WM%20Sailko.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="960" data-original-width="1280" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4iXoarj5J8xGWccWyeZofnIGUzk_Z3zOYpAodonNSuW4OWynObWrAess1ny3oApPZhFsC3gtd_f7ofB_mlFCKS6ofj_6FCHDHNRSgRrqAbOFRHIPjHSsEHPoPxdOm1gGCVaxlKkM8KiEmBBjxbn5-_H5H33qTtImkazIrvqSvqlZ10NMLRH2X2IHXmok/w400-h300/1280px-Leone_e_amorini_tra_dioniso_e_menadi,_da_casa_del_centauro_a_pompei,_10019,_05%20WM%20Sailko.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Detail of Mosaic of a Lion and cupids between Dionysos and Maenads recovered from the House of the Centaur in Pompeii Roman 1st century BCE-1st century CE courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Sailko</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnk9b6GVj40ph24hFLh2alruQd1TZYqsrE2nHGaJp5l-dLGtfDYDlPVJop8UywV62qOVLthNdKd5P2e3a6GXE0hXkFNZ2f2SF7ifyS4X0RM3z8OzSIIqeLKjJIeNXR3bcNvWenPAwwLBykmMT4BueTvtTb2LdDomn-1Cfm62uNvoI6kda42g9x8fxlncA/s1024/Lion_with_Dionysos_and_maenads,_mosaic_(from_Pompeii)%20WM%20Yair-haklai.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="875" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnk9b6GVj40ph24hFLh2alruQd1TZYqsrE2nHGaJp5l-dLGtfDYDlPVJop8UywV62qOVLthNdKd5P2e3a6GXE0hXkFNZ2f2SF7ifyS4X0RM3z8OzSIIqeLKjJIeNXR3bcNvWenPAwwLBykmMT4BueTvtTb2LdDomn-1Cfm62uNvoI6kda42g9x8fxlncA/w341-h400/Lion_with_Dionysos_and_maenads,_mosaic_(from_Pompeii)%20WM%20Yair-haklai.jpg" width="341" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Mosaic of a Lion and cupids between Dionysos and Maenads recovered from the House of the Centaur in Pompeii Roman 1st century BCE-1st century CE courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Yair-haklai</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiT9NTxi4ujZTn3NiXy49vOwgfKCceenayHaXXkF4BMlj3f03Rw6bvX-mepCyeCj6rHhn9W57ERLII6KfCTA5e2C01FZS1wZptOX0IsJbYdjKjp9lC0aHvzz0aFRzCIGht9cC0tqyYSZOilf7CMSdIJsC9R88HBSx9mSHnWvCFVWEADDMlkLdcS4ml4_R4/s1600/Mosaic%20of%20a%20Lion%20and%20cupids%20between%20Dionysos%20and%20a%20Maenad%20recovered%20from%20the%20House%20of%20the%20Centaur%20in%20Pompeii%20Roman%201st%20century%20BCE-1st%20century%20CE.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1066" data-original-width="1600" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiT9NTxi4ujZTn3NiXy49vOwgfKCceenayHaXXkF4BMlj3f03Rw6bvX-mepCyeCj6rHhn9W57ERLII6KfCTA5e2C01FZS1wZptOX0IsJbYdjKjp9lC0aHvzz0aFRzCIGht9cC0tqyYSZOilf7CMSdIJsC9R88HBSx9mSHnWvCFVWEADDMlkLdcS4ml4_R4/w400-h266/Mosaic%20of%20a%20Lion%20and%20cupids%20between%20Dionysos%20and%20a%20Maenad%20recovered%20from%20the%20House%20of%20the%20Centaur%20in%20Pompeii%20Roman%201st%20century%20BCE-1st%20century%20CE.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Detail of Mosaic of a Lion and cupids between Dionysos and Maenads recovered from the House of the Centaur in Pompeii Roman 1st century BCE-1st century CE photographed by Mary Harrsch at the Museo Archeologico di Nazionale in Naples, Italy</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I followed this query up with: "Were early depictions of maenads more youthful than more mature, voluptuous maenads of the Roman Period?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"...there is a tendency for early depictions of maenads to favor youthful figures compared to the voluptuous maenads of the Roman period. However, it's not always a clear-cut dichotomy and nuance is important. Here's a deeper look:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Early Greek Maenads:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emphasis on energy and agility: Maenads are often shown engaged in vigorous dancing, leaping, and tearing things apart. This requires a youthful physique to portray the necessary agility and dynamism.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Focus on wildness and frenzy: The emphasis is on the ecstatic nature of their devotion, which can be associated with youthful abandon and recklessness.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Representation of potential danger: In some cases, especially in scenes depicting the tearing apart of animals, a younger appearance aligns with the threat these maenads could pose.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Roman Maenads:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shift towards sensuality and beauty: Roman art often emphasizes graceful poses, elegant robes, and idealized features. This contributes to their more voluptuous appearance.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Influence of Hellenistic ideals: The emphasis on physical beauty was a prevailing trend in Hellenistic and Roman art, influencing not only idealized figures like gods and goddesses but also depictions of revelers and mythical creatures like maenads.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible association with fertility: Some scholars suggest that the more mature forms of Roman maenads could be linked to themes of fertility and abundance, further amplifying their sensuality.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Key Points to Remember:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The depiction of age in both periods wasn't entirely uniform. There are examples of older figures in early Greek art and younger ones in Roman depictions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The shift towards youthful or mature wasn't solely about age, but also about the emotions and themes being conveyed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic styles and cultural contexts played a significant role in shaping the appearance of maenads over time.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion, while a general trend towards youthful figures in early Greek art and voluptuous forms in Roman depictions of maenads exists, it's important to remember the nuances and complexities surrounding this evolution. Both styles served different artistic and cultural purposes, reflecting changing interpretations of the myth and the societal values of their respective eras."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Looking through images of Greek pottery, I noticed that most black and red figure ceramics depicted maenads fully clothed so I asked, "Were maenads ever depicted as nude in ancient Greek art?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Yes, maenads were indeed depicted as nude in ancient Greek art, though the degree of nudity and its symbolic meaning varied throughout different periods and artistic styles.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Early Depictions (7th-5th centuries BC):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Partial Nudity: In earlier vase paintings and sculptures, maenads were often shown partially nude, typically wearing animal skins or loose drapery that draped around their lower bodies while leaving their upper torsos bare. This partial nudity may have symbolized their connection to nature and the wildness associated with Dionysian rituals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Classical Period (5th-4th centuries BC):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Increased Nudity: During the Classical period, depictions of maenads became more explicit, with artists increasingly portraying them completely nude. This shift reflected a growing emphasis on the human form and its idealized beauty, even in the context of ecstatic, ritualistic frenzy. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic Significance: While nudity in Greek art often carried heroic or athletic connotations for male figures, for female figures like maenads, it held a more complex meaning. It could symbolize liberation from social constraints, connection to the primordial forces of nature, or even a loss of control and rationality under the influence of Dionysus.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Hellenistic and Roman Periods (3rd century BC - 4th century AD):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Continued Nudity: The trend of depicting nude maenads continued into the Hellenistic and Roman periods, often in scenes of Bacchanalian revelry and ecstatic dance. Artists experimented with different poses and expressions to capture the energy and fervor of these mythical figures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sensuality and Eroticism: In some later Roman interpretations, the depiction of nude maenads took on a more overtly sensual and erotic tone. This shift reflected changing societal attitudes towards the Dionysian cult and its associations with excess and pleasure.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that not all depictions of maenads in ancient Greek art were nude. Drapery and animal skins remained common throughout different periods, and the choice of attire likely depended on the specific context and artistic intent.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, the portrayal of nude maenads in ancient Greek art reflects a complex interplay between religious symbolism, idealized beauty, and societal attitudes towards gender, sexuality, and the human body."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZ6iixqoltWy_7v8zMA5h34BFFpECtLzNCAMOWDuwNzNKWWJMAZp-5Do2z8dzHzVLAHFdQ2QO6a53dQ0p96xAeNOyFGpmhuLGUa5ys59KWdbpKz5iAB-YPvrAL5tVMIH8QhPok-2c8Lsn_7xY_HNpKMT-VjWMCuepeq4ErcVvt05mWJRTBDp7DXHIygAo/s800/Marble%20relief%20of%20a%20dancing%20maenad%20Roman%20Augustan%20Period%2027%20BCE-14%20CE%20copy%20of%20Greek%20releif%20attributed%20to%20Kallimachos%20425-400%20BCE%20at%20The%20Met.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; 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font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Roof ornament (antefix) in the shape of a dancing Maenad and a Satyr Etruscan 500-475 BCE Terracotta photographed by Mary Harrsch at Getty Villa in Malibu, CA</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="800" data-original-width="600" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZ6iixqoltWy_7v8zMA5h34BFFpECtLzNCAMOWDuwNzNKWWJMAZp-5Do2z8dzHzVLAHFdQ2QO6a53dQ0p96xAeNOyFGpmhuLGUa5ys59KWdbpKz5iAB-YPvrAL5tVMIH8QhPok-2c8Lsn_7xY_HNpKMT-VjWMCuepeq4ErcVvt05mWJRTBDp7DXHIygAo/w300-h400/Marble%20relief%20of%20a%20dancing%20maenad%20Roman%20Augustan%20Period%2027%20BCE-14%20CE%20copy%20of%20Greek%20releif%20attributed%20to%20Kallimachos%20425-400%20BCE%20at%20The%20Met.jpg" width="300" /></div><br /></div></a></div><span style="white-space-collapse: collapse;">Marble relief of a dancing maenad Roman Augustan Period 27 BCE-14 CE copy of Greek relief attributed to Kallimachos 425-400 BCE photographed by Mary Harrsch at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City</span><br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiF_MxBaZxQ4oPuP-Dzbje9CSEkL2j6VyemGsxLGO0zTlA1w-oSeRC_JpsK7NFupx4JHDJUT6-4eco4n558kFi8XtmC_1bkAry3KTerdZeMgsG-WiUGUzlxxNRrlGl5D5vsBGzi3J1DWXhYOQePmuCZS3ULTx858BdHUb-ocfMg7N892bItiAy5WsRfvfI/s800/Wall%20or%20Ceiling%20Fragments%20with%20a%20Maenad,%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne,%20and%20a%20Satyr%20Roman%201-75%20CE%20Plaster%20and%20pigment%20Fresco%20at%20the%20Getty%20Villa.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="800" data-original-width="600" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiF_MxBaZxQ4oPuP-Dzbje9CSEkL2j6VyemGsxLGO0zTlA1w-oSeRC_JpsK7NFupx4JHDJUT6-4eco4n558kFi8XtmC_1bkAry3KTerdZeMgsG-WiUGUzlxxNRrlGl5D5vsBGzi3J1DWXhYOQePmuCZS3ULTx858BdHUb-ocfMg7N892bItiAy5WsRfvfI/w300-h400/Wall%20or%20Ceiling%20Fragments%20with%20a%20Maenad,%20Bacchus%20and%20Ariadne,%20and%20a%20Satyr%20Roman%201-75%20CE%20Plaster%20and%20pigment%20Fresco%20at%20the%20Getty%20Villa.jpg" width="300" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Wall or Ceiling Fragments with a Maenad, Bacchus and Ariadne, and a Satyr Roman 1-75 CE Plaster and pigment Fresco photographed by Mary Harrsch at the Getty Villa in Malibu, CA</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-62664519676685792142023-12-21T11:41:00.000-08:002023-12-21T11:41:07.308-08:00Gladiators in 4th and 5th century Roman art<div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I found this small ivory figurine of a warrior or deity, possibly Ares (or a gladiator?), that my good friend Allan Gluck photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C. quite interesting! The museum curators observe, "The mantle informally slung over the muscular youth’s left arm seems to emphasize his nudity, even though the helmet suggests preparedness for battle. The figurine thus takes part in the classical tradition of the heroic nude. For the ancient Greeks, it was not just <span style="font-family: inherit;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span>the face, but the strength and fine proportions of the whole body that conveyed the virtue of the person depicted. Gods, rulers, and athletes were all frequently depicted nude.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfLiy0JLZSV-Zcv2ZFNVOSeYxlZClV7NdUZgaachIejuU19cPoY9Bp9YGSZ8Bx3vl6c4gemCGwZdPOuCSsQmTgA5JyXRB2BMdcSWo4F1zghM3f0gkhhkPHxVBK06RhDr3CxaOKnCvt8WhfZFD2tmHO2yXOmD1Bk50b67pnGJYETUhlyaiD3mr1aRhq8l0/s2048/411265580_10159732169496892_2987823325189315838_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1536" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfLiy0JLZSV-Zcv2ZFNVOSeYxlZClV7NdUZgaachIejuU19cPoY9Bp9YGSZ8Bx3vl6c4gemCGwZdPOuCSsQmTgA5JyXRB2BMdcSWo4F1zghM3f0gkhhkPHxVBK06RhDr3CxaOKnCvt8WhfZFD2tmHO2yXOmD1Bk50b67pnGJYETUhlyaiD3mr1aRhq8l0/w300-h400/411265580_10159732169496892_2987823325189315838_n.jpg" width="300" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Roman ivory warrior figurine, late 4th - early 5th century CE<br />photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum,<br />courtesy of Allan Gluck </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">"We cannot be sure of the identity of the figure. The helmet suggests that he may be Ares, the Greek god of war, whom the Romans identified with Mars, their god of war, but he could equally be a mortal warrior. In either case, his relaxed pose and upward glance suggest that he is away from the battle, and taken up in contemplation." </span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The mantle appears to me to be wrapped around the left arm, though, rather than informally slung. In fact, it reminds me of a gladiator's protective arm wrapping. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Since the figurine is carved from ivory, a luxury material, I also wondered if it served as a protective amulet. So I had a few questions for Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mary: "Was ivory a common medium for amulets in the fourth and fifth centuries CE in Roman art?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Yes, ivory was indeed a common and highly valued medium for amulets in the fourth and fifth centuries CE in Roman art. Its combination of beauty, durability, and symbolic associations made it a popular choice for creating protective charms and lucky tokens.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's a closer look at the reasons behind ivory's prevalence in amulet making during this period:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic Value:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rarity and Value: Ivory's rarity, particularly in Europe, imbued it with a sense of luxury and preciousness. This association with value naturally translated to the belief in its protective power, as valuable objects were thought to ward off misfortune and attract good luck.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Purity and Whiteness: The natural white color of ivory was often linked to purity and righteousness in Roman culture. This connection made it an ideal material for amulets associated with spiritual protection and divine favor.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Durability and Carvability: Ivory's exceptional hardness and fine grain made it perfect for carving intricate details and delicate shapes. This allowed artisans to create detailed representations of deities, animals, and symbols, further enhancing the amulets' symbolic power.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Examples of Ivory Amulets:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Figurines: Depictions of gods, goddesses, mythical creatures, and even everyday objects like animals and plants were commonly carved from ivory and worn as amulets. These figurines served as visual reminders of the protective deities or wished-for outcomes associated with them.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Plaques and Pendants: Flat pieces of ivory were often engraved with scenes, symbols, or inscriptions related to protection, health, or good fortune. These plaques and pendants were then worn around the neck or attached to clothing. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rings and Bracelets: Carved ivory rings and bracelets were popular forms of personal adornment that also doubled as amulets. These pieces often featured auspicious symbols or protective deities, offering a combination of style and spiritual benefit.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ivory's unique combination of symbolic meaning, practical advantages, and aesthetic appeal made it a highly sought-after material for amulets in the fourth and fifth centuries CE in Roman art. While other materials were also used, ivory's status as a symbol of luxury, purity, and durability cemented its place as a preferred choice for protective charms and lucky tokens worn by people of all classes in Roman society."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I followed up with: "Were gladiators still depicted in 4th and 5th century Roman art?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The presence of gladiators in 4th and 5th century Roman art is a complex issue with some interesting nuances:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Yes, gladiators were still depicted in some Roman art of this period, but the context and frequency of their portrayal changed significantly.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Decline of Gladiatorial Games: By the 4th century, the popularity of gladiatorial games had already begun to decline due to various factors like Christian opposition, rising costs, and changing social sensibilities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shifting Artistic Focus: With the diminished importance of games, gladiators started appearing less frequently in public art forms like monumental sculpture and large, celebratory mosaics.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Persistence in Smaller Art: However, depictions of gladiators persisted in smaller art forms like:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sarcophagi: Gladiatorial scenes occasionally adorned the tombs of individuals who may have had personal connections to the arena.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ceramics: Figurines and paintings on pottery sometimes featured gladiators, possibly reflecting continued popular interest in the spectacle.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Private Art: Gladiatorial themes might have appeared in private art collections owned by families who still valued the traditional martial ideals associated with the games.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Change in Representation: The way gladiators were portrayed also shifted. They became less prominent figures and often appeared alongside other imagery, suggesting a diminishing cultural significance.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Important Example:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The renowned Gladiator Mosaic from the 4th century, despite its name, only depicts one gladiatorial scene among several hunting and animal fights. This highlights the changing focus of the artwork.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion: While not completely absent, gladiators became less central and more symbolic in 4th and 5th century Roman art, reflecting the declining relevance of gladiatorial games in the evolving social and cultural landscape of the late Roman Empire."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I asked more specifically: "Were gladiators depicted as almost nude in 4th and 5th century Roman art?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"...the depiction of gladiatorial attire in 4th and 5th century Roman art is an interesting detail that reflects the changing perception of gladiatorial games and the Roman society in that era.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While earlier Roman art, particularly from the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, often portrayed gladiators in minimal clothing, primarily loincloths and leg wraps, 4th and 5th century art generally depicted them with more covering. This shift can be attributed to several factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christian Influence: The growing influence of Christianity in the Roman Empire during this period led to a more conservative attitude towards nudity. Gladiatorial combat, often brutal and bloody, was increasingly seen as incompatible with Christian values.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Changing Social Mores: Roman society itself was undergoing a transformation in the later Empire, with a greater emphasis on modesty and decorum. This is reflected in the art of the time, which generally featured more clothed figures compared to earlier periods.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolic Representation: Gladiators in 4th and 5th century art were often depicted as symbolic figures, representing virtues like courage and strength. Their attire, therefore, became less focused on practical considerations for combat and more on conveying these symbolic meanings.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some examples of how gladiatorial attire changed in 4th and 5th century Roman art:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Gladiator Mosaic from Piazza Armerina, Sicily, dating to the 4th century, depicts gladiators wearing tunics and leggings, a far cry from the scantily clad warriors of earlier eras.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sarcophagi from this period often show gladiators in full armor, including helmets, breastplates, and greaves. This heavier attire emphasizes their role as warriors and protectors, rather than simply scantily clad fighters.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, it's important to note that some exceptions exist. Certain artistic styles or specific scenes might still depict gladiators in more revealing attire, particularly when emphasizing the physicality and athleticism associated with gladiatorial combat.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, the depiction of gladiatorial attire in 4th and 5th century Roman art reflects the changing cultural and social landscape of the late Roman Empire. While gladiators were still present in artistic representations, their portrayal became more symbolic and less focused on the physical aspects of combat, leading to a general trend towards more covered attire."</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgOGI6lLdp3-bVGkOkEFbVl4F7xUBfjPuFyb50i7FiumAk04pHFrT8J0WRLmmgPdeoHfgy2u8zWLeNsG8_YCOMoY_IgJJZsbscigvOxFVS5sGNPsb_wuBgCKj3h9NcbNpPaDMDmxSgzvhfmL8J8-V8pHvyMCfuSXjWQhPLQ3ob5o2a45ML-u0__Viz-l4/s502/Astyanax_vs_Kalendio_mosaic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="502" data-original-width="500" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgOGI6lLdp3-bVGkOkEFbVl4F7xUBfjPuFyb50i7FiumAk04pHFrT8J0WRLmmgPdeoHfgy2u8zWLeNsG8_YCOMoY_IgJJZsbscigvOxFVS5sGNPsb_wuBgCKj3h9NcbNpPaDMDmxSgzvhfmL8J8-V8pHvyMCfuSXjWQhPLQ3ob5o2a45ML-u0__Viz-l4/w399-h400/Astyanax_vs_Kalendio_mosaic.jpg" width="399" /></a><br /><br /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Mosaic at the National Archaeological Museum in Madrid showing a retiarius (net-fighter) named Kalendio fighting a secutor named Astyanax. In the bottom image, the secutor is covered in the retiarius's net, but doesn't seem to be hindered. In the upper image, apparently the conclusion of the skirmish, Kalendio is on the ground, wounded, and raises his dagger to surrender. The arena employees await his fate from the editor, not pictured. The inscription above reads ASTYANAX VICIT, as well as name of Kalendio followed by the symbol ∅ (null), implying that he was killed by Astyanax. 4th century CE Image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons contributor Amcaja.</span><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;"> </span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Then I asked "Were gladiator figurines in ivory used as amulets in 4th and 5th century Roman art?"</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The use of gladiator figurines in ivory as amulets during the 4th and 5th centuries in Roman art is an intriguing topic with limited, but suggestive evidence. While conclusive proof of their widespread use as amulets is elusive, here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Evidence for Figurines:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological Finds: Scattered finds of small ivory figurines depicting gladiators have been unearthed in various parts of the Roman Empire, dating to the 4th and 5th centuries. These figurines often represent individual gladiators in different poses and armor, suggesting familiarity with the games and their various combat styles.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic Similarities: The style and craftsmanship of these figurines often resemble other known amulets and personal ornaments from the period, featuring smooth carving, detailed features, and sometimes even suspension holes.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible Use as Amulets:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Protective Function: Gladiators were traditionally associated with virtues like courage, strength, and resilience. This association, coupled with the symbolic power of ivory as a valuable and durable material, might have led to the creation and use of gladiator figurines as amulets for protection and good fortune.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Connection to the Games: For individuals passionate about gladiatorial games, owning a miniature representation of a gladiator could have served as a personal talisman or a reminder of their favorite fighters.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited Evidence: However, it's important to note that concrete evidence explicitly linking these figurines to amuletic use is scarce. No written records or inscriptions directly associate them with protection or specific rituals. Additionally, the context of their archaeological finds doesn't always provide definitive clues about their intended purpose.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative Interpretations:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Decorative Objects: Some scholars suggest that these figurines might have been primarily decorative, functioning as collectibles or small-scale luxury items rather than having any specific protective function.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gaming Pieces: The possibility of using them as playing pieces in board games related to gladiatorial themes has also been proposed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While the use of gladiator figurines in ivory as amulets in 4th and 5th century Roman art remains somewhat unclear, the available evidence suggests a plausible connection. Their resemblance to known amulets, association with gladiatorial virtues, and valuable material all point towards a potential protective or symbolic function. However, without more definitive proof, their exact role and how widespread their use as amulets might have been, remains open to further research and interpretation."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I must admit, the figurine is a wearing a helmet, though, while gladiators like a retiarius are depicted bare-headed in 4th century CE mosaics. So, I changed my inquiries to focus on the possible identification of the figure as Ares, the Greek god of war. Bard points out that Ares is often depicted as a younger, athletic figure, sometimes even beardless, radiating raw masculine energy and impulsiveness while </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Mars is usually portrayed as a mature, dignified warrior, often bearded and clad in full armor, embodying military discipline and strategic prowess. So, even though this figurine is dated to the late 4th to early 5th century Roman empire (the museum considers it Byzantine), based on its appearance it would fit the description of Ares better than Mars if it is, in fact, a deity.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">So then I asked, "Were amulets depicting Ares rather than Mars common in the 4th and 5th centuries in the eastern Roman Empire?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"During the 4th and 5th centuries CE in the eastern Roman Empire, depictions of Ares on amulets were indeed more common than those of Mars. This phenomenon can be attributed to a confluence of factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Continued Strength of Greek Cultural Influence:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Even after Roman political dominance, the eastern Roman Empire, encompassing regions with deep Greek roots, retained strong cultural ties to Greek language, literature, and mythology.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">This meant familiarity with and preference for figures like Ares, deeply ingrained in the local cultural fabric, persisted longer than in the western empire.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Similarities between Ares and Mars:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Though originating from different mythologies, Ares and Mars shared significant overlaps in their domains and symbolism. Both were associated with:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Warfare and military prowess</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Masculinity and physical strength</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Protection of warriors and communities</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Consequently, amulets featuring either god could fulfill similar protective purposes, making the choice less about theological distinctions and more about cultural familiarity and personal preference.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Artistic Continuity in the East:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Artistic styles and traditions in the eastern Roman Empire often displayed stronger connections to their Greek heritage compared to the western regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">This continuity translated to artisans drawing more readily upon Greek iconography when crafting amulets, naturally leading to a higher prevalence of Ares representations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Historical Context:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The 4th and 5th centuries also witnessed the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire. While initially persecuted, it gradually gained prominence, leading to a decline in the worship of traditional pagan deities like Ares and Mars.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Nonetheless, within the eastern Roman context, where Greek cultural influence remained strong, Ares depictions on amulets persisted to a greater extent than Mars, particularly in earlier parts of these centuries.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Examples:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Numerous archaeological finds showcase Ares on amulets from this period, including:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Gemstones: Engraved with Ares in his characteristic helmet and armor, holding a spear or shield.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Plaques and pendants: Crafted from bronze or bone, depicting Ares in scenes like battling giants or riding his chariot.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Statuettes: Small ivory or terracotta figurines representing Ares in a standing or striding pose.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Conclusion:</div></div><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">While Mars amulets weren't entirely absent, the prevalence of Ares depictions on amulets in the eastern Roman Empire during the 4th and 5th centuries reflects the persistent influence of Greek mythology and artistic traditions alongside the shared war-related symbolism between both deities. Understanding these factors enriches our appreciation of the complex cultural landscape of the late Roman Empire."</span> </p>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-7236225505668685212023-12-21T11:31:00.000-08:002023-12-21T11:31:45.787-08:00Rarity of narrative in Etruscan art<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Professor Steven Tuck's lecture on Etruscan sacred spaces (part of The Great Courses' The Mysterious Etruscans series) points out that Etruscan temples were constructed of wood then covered with decorated terracotta plaques for not only artistic purposes but to protect the architectural elements from fire. These plaques featured scenes of everyday life such as processions or feasts rather than narratives of real or mythological events like those portrayed on Greek temples. I found this quite an interesting </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">cultural difference. </span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I did find, however, a couple of exceptions dated to the sixth century when I was searching for other images of this type of Etruscan art. One example was a series of painted tiles discovered in an Etruscan tomb in the Banditaccia cemetery in 1874 thought to have ben from the female quarters of an Etruscan residence in Cerveteri then transferred to the tomb. These tiles, dated from 560-550 BCE and dubbed the Boccanera female quarters plaques (the Boccanera brothers were the excavators) depict scenes including the Judgment of Paris and the Toilet of Helen. They are now in the collections of the British Museum.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZJ5Uvz8kzGAQPQHBiyB2_GDDQfkErKY0-ibb5iwtFsk36_sxahznM5IJwSoyo5_xw0pVgNkFcQ0Fe6TSC31srmqL0FzU_1VSg_GiyJYNYdbHr-UZyGBhtVc5IkUfNYX4I80yAyk17foVr09MMM6Dm1NZeCFXergUZpNPXOR_vzwK7Dml-gZqR_wa-ulk/s1059/The%20Boccanera%20plaques%20Etruscan%20560-550%20BCE%20recovered%20from%20Cerveteri.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="704" data-original-width="1059" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZJ5Uvz8kzGAQPQHBiyB2_GDDQfkErKY0-ibb5iwtFsk36_sxahznM5IJwSoyo5_xw0pVgNkFcQ0Fe6TSC31srmqL0FzU_1VSg_GiyJYNYdbHr-UZyGBhtVc5IkUfNYX4I80yAyk17foVr09MMM6Dm1NZeCFXergUZpNPXOR_vzwK7Dml-gZqR_wa-ulk/w400-h266/The%20Boccanera%20plaques%20Etruscan%20560-550%20BCE%20recovered%20from%20Cerveteri.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The so-called tiles from the women's quarters found in the Boccanera tomb
courtesy of the British Museum.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard: "Why would the Boccanera Female Quarters Plaques portray a narrative when most Etruscan art of the sixth century was not narrative in nature?"</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The unusual narrative nature of the Boccanera Female Quarters Plaques compared to other Etruscan art of the sixth century is an intriguing question with multifaceted possibilities. Here are some potential explanations, keeping in mind the safety guidelines you outlined:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. A Glimpse into Domestic Life: While Etruscan art often focused on funerary or religious themes, the Female Quarters Plaques seem to peek into the private sphere of women's lives. Perhaps the narrative scenes served as a visual storytelling device, narrating myths or everyday experiences relatable to the women residing in those quarters.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Cultural Exchange and Inspiration: Interaction with Greek art during the sixth century could have influenced the Etruscan artistic style. Greek art traditionally embraced narrative elements, and the influence might have manifested in these plaques, introducing a new dimension to Etruscan artistic expression.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. A Unique Function or Location: The specific function or location within the female quarters where the plaques were displayed could hold the key. Maybe they were part of a larger decorative program designed to tell a specific story or evoke particular emotions within that space.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">4. Experimentation and Artistic Evolution: Etruscan art, similar to other artistic traditions, wasn't static. The sixth century marked a period of experimentation, and the Female Quarters Plaques could be an example of artists pushing boundaries and exploring new forms of expression through narrative elements.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the exact reason for the narrative nature of these plaques remains an open question for scholars and art historians to explore. By keeping in mind the context of Etruscan culture, artistic influences, and possible functions of the plaques, we can appreciate their uniqueness and contribution to our understanding of this fascinating ancient civilization."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I asked Bard about the narrative nature of other artwork found in the tomb but Bard says it was traditional non-narrative art:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"No, unlike the intriguing narrative scenes depicted on the Boccanera Female Quarters Plaques, the other terracotta plaques found in the Tomb of the Boccanera Family don't tell a specific story. Instead, they showcase individual scenes or figures related to Etruscan mythology and daily life.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's a breakdown of the main types of scenes found on the Boccanera Family Tomb plaques:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Mythological Scenes:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sphinxes: These mythical creatures with lion bodies and human heads symbolize guardians of the underworld and protectors of the deceased.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Heroes and Gods: Depictions of figures like Perseus slaying the Gorgon Medusa or Herakles battling the Hydra reflect Etruscan beliefs about the afterlife and heroism.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rituals and Processions: Scenes such as musicians playing instruments or figures carrying offerings provide glimpses into Etruscan religious practices and funerary rituals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Scenes from Daily Life:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Banquets and Festivities: These lively scenes portray gatherings with music, dance, and food, offering insights into Etruscan social events and celebrations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Hunting and Animal Representations: Images of hunters chasing deer or lions showcase the importance of hunting in Etruscan culture and their connection to the natural world.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Scenes of Work and Craftsmanship: Depictions of activities like chariot racing, metalworking, or weaving offer glimpses into various professions and daily life in ancient Etruria.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While these individual scenes might not form a cohesive narrative, they offer valuable insights into the diverse interests, beliefs, and activities of the ancient Etruscans. Their artistic style, characterized by stylized figures, vivid colors, and a dynamic sense of movement, further adds to the richness and fascination of this ancient civilization."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard did point to another example of narrative sixth century Etruscan art, though, in the François Tomb found in Vulci (570-550 BCE). </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2Q4qc9lNtwVHMwNaamsNdDGDOEUyld8le4uJE7shGM1hJel0oOYBPaZ5aUdw7dm_4q5FlukTcoFo5VbufJG1dRWpSRWNNpMz90IN7Sn7aSzOJt8eKt4Xk1duH_gmBBx5x4qYh3T0zLjEhqPWf84kNtUVdqQSfbX-5W5MbZk65sQ3TxSvR4kh2sNJh9W4/s3000/battle-scene-francois-tomb-vulci-6258%20with%20reduced%20saturation%20by%20Yan%20Forget%20courtesy%20of%20World%20History%20Encyclopedia.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1697" data-original-width="3000" height="226" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2Q4qc9lNtwVHMwNaamsNdDGDOEUyld8le4uJE7shGM1hJel0oOYBPaZ5aUdw7dm_4q5FlukTcoFo5VbufJG1dRWpSRWNNpMz90IN7Sn7aSzOJt8eKt4Xk1duH_gmBBx5x4qYh3T0zLjEhqPWf84kNtUVdqQSfbX-5W5MbZk65sQ3TxSvR4kh2sNJh9W4/w400-h226/battle-scene-francois-tomb-vulci-6258%20with%20reduced%20saturation%20by%20Yan%20Forget%20courtesy%20of%20World%20History%20Encyclopedia.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #050505; font-size: 15px; text-align: start; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Image of the "Liberation of Caelius Vibenna" found in the François Tomb in Vulci
courtesy of Yan Forget and the World History Encyclopedia.
</span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhm8aYlFxYFHSUzOaiWuYDJbN2zLYHZvIQQebKX7VNtyGIJ67dVcwXNzvEvwUsgphT73AA8JDLJOUPGpXLU-dQU691d7ZqqEJFliNKp5bNwEz8BMDBdD6R91uSDvmFlQm1wpxjexRhn06wOB44tsRyh4wpwC2bEmwzw_isqpek8eYHNv9i-qgjkekEHKSQ/s1083/battle-scene-francois-tomb-6314.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="504" data-original-width="1083" height="186" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhm8aYlFxYFHSUzOaiWuYDJbN2zLYHZvIQQebKX7VNtyGIJ67dVcwXNzvEvwUsgphT73AA8JDLJOUPGpXLU-dQU691d7ZqqEJFliNKp5bNwEz8BMDBdD6R91uSDvmFlQm1wpxjexRhn06wOB44tsRyh4wpwC2bEmwzw_isqpek8eYHNv9i-qgjkekEHKSQ/w400-h186/battle-scene-francois-tomb-6314.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">19th century drawing of the complete panel from the François Tomb in Vulci (PD)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">There seems to be a bit of confusion, though, about which narrative it portrays. Bard mentioned scenes from the life of Achilles but some Italian curators state they represent the legendary liberation of a captured Etruscan nobleman named Caelius Vibenna. In legend, Vibenna is said to have aided Romulus in his wars against Titus Tatius. He and his brother Aulus are also said to have aided King Tarquinius Superbus, although Tarquinius Superbus lived some five generations after Romulus. Tacitus relates that a certain hill in Rome, previously named Querquetulanus (after the oak trees covering the hill) was renamed the Caelian Hill after Caelius Vibenna.</span></div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-92198423772561364562023-12-21T11:22:00.000-08:002023-12-21T11:22:11.199-08:00Male votive figurines from late 4th to early 5th century Gaul<p>W<span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">hile researching additional information for one of the objects my friend Allan Gluck photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum, I came across an image of this intriguing solid gold statuette of a man thought to have been perhaps a votive offering unearthed in 1928 near the old Roman road leading from Le Mans to Tours in France. The tunic’s stamped pattern is nearly identical to one found on a fragment of a 4th-5th century CE silver dish that was part of the </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Coleraine horde found in Derry, Ireland and used to date this sculpture. It was originally found with silver bars and a silver ribbon, which were subsequently separated from the statuette and lost.</span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCqvJsrKVpSWpFSdELehfA_IDbDXglKobzMrbN9X5IgXn0efBwxU_zVjYijLVY0WYbQL4dXGqGofSe3CdoGnify3PAKZsGP8ECZGFenxU2Rh02PydHfSKfMH0GUUpPiLOYvLKaXiJXXWcrZ3zF2ROnVtoHQkUWmbZxkS37qFAoWeOmE6l6lXxb0Fo7USQ/s3180/BZ.1936.46.S1985.1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3180" data-original-width="2131" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCqvJsrKVpSWpFSdELehfA_IDbDXglKobzMrbN9X5IgXn0efBwxU_zVjYijLVY0WYbQL4dXGqGofSe3CdoGnify3PAKZsGP8ECZGFenxU2Rh02PydHfSKfMH0GUUpPiLOYvLKaXiJXXWcrZ3zF2ROnVtoHQkUWmbZxkS37qFAoWeOmE6l6lXxb0Fo7USQ/w268-h400/BZ.1936.46.S1985.1.jpg" width="268" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Solid gold statuette of a male figure in patterned tunic, late 4th - early 5th century CE Gaul courtesy of Dumbarton Oaks Museum, Washington D.C.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Since the museum points out that a relief of a Celtic god was found in the vicinity of Le Mans, I asked Bard if this figure could have been a votive offering to a Celtic god, even though Christianity was widespread in France by then.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It is unlikely that votive male figurines dated to the 4th and 5th century CE found in France were dedicated to pagan Celtic gods. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christianization: By the 4th and 5th centuries CE, Christianity had already taken root in much of France. The Roman emperor Constantine I declared Christianity legal in 313 CE, and it quickly spread throughout the empire. By the 5th century, most of the population of Gaul (Roman France) was Christian.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lack of evidence: There is little archaeological evidence to suggest that pagan Celtic religious practices continued in France after the 4th century CE. While some scholars have argued that certain archaeological finds, such as votive offerings in springs and wells, may be evidence of continued pagan worship, these could also be interpreted as Christian practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shifting focus: With the rise of Christianity, the focus of religious veneration shifted from Celtic gods to Christian saints and martyrs. There is no evidence that people were still making votive offerings to Celtic gods in the 4th and 5th centuries CE.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, it is important to note that the picture is not entirely clear. Our understanding of Celtic religion in late antiquity is limited, and it is possible that some elements of paganism may have survived alongside Christianity. Additionally, the experiences of different regions of France may have varied.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some alternative explanations for the votive male figurines:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christian saints: The figurines could represent Christian saints or martyrs. Some early Christian saints were depicted as young men, and it is possible that these figurines represent them.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Funerary offerings: The figurines could be funerary offerings, intended to accompany the deceased in the afterlife. This was a common practice in both pagan and Christian cultures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Apotropaic figures: The figurines could be apotropaic figures, intended to ward off evil or bring good luck. These types of figures were common in both pagan and Christian cultures.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, the meaning of these figurines is unclear. More research is needed to determine their purpose and significance."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Since Bard mentioned regional differences I followed up with:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Is there any evidence the area around modern day Le Mans had active pagan worship of Celtic gods in the 4th or 5th centuries despite the widespread embrace of Christianity in other parts of France?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard's response:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Uncovering definitive proof of pagan worship specifically dedicated to Celtic gods in the 4th and 5th centuries around Le Mans is challenging for several reasons:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Christianization: By the 4th century, Christianity had gained significant traction in Gaul (Roman France), and Le Mans was no exception. The city's first bishop, Saint Lidorius, is believed to have been appointed around 330 CE. Widespread Christianization implies a decline in traditional pagan practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Archaeological ambiguity: While some archaeological finds like votive offerings in springs and wells might be interpreted as remnants of pagan rituals, they could also represent Christian practices adopting similar locations for veneration.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Lack of specific references: Unlike other regions of Gaul where inscriptions or literary sources mention continued pagan practices, concrete evidence for Celtic god worship in Le Mans during this period is scarce.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, the picture isn't entirely black and white. Here are some nuances to consider:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Persistence of Celtic traditions: Even with Christianization, some aspects of Celtic culture and traditions might have blended into Christian practices. For instance, local saints' veneration could have absorbed elements of earlier Celtic deities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Regional variations: The pace and extent of Christianization might have differed across Gaul. Le Mans, situated further inland compared to coastal areas exposed to Roman influence earlier, might have retained some pagan elements for a longer period.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Archaeological hints: While not conclusive, some archaeological finds in the region, like Gallo-Roman temples repurposed for Christian use, hint at a possible continuity of sacred spaces.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while definitively proving active pagan worship of Celtic gods in 4th-5th century Le Mans remains elusive, the possibility of lingering influences or adaptations within Christian practices cannot be entirely dismissed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some additional points to remember:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Attributing specific votive offerings or figurines solely to Celtic gods in this period is difficult due to the lack of clear iconographic markers and the possibility of Christian interpretations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Further archaeological research and analysis of existing finds might shed more light on the religious practices of the time in Le Mans.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Studying the development of Christian traditions in the region could offer insights into potential interactions and adaptations with pre-existing belief systems.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Ultimately, understanding the complex interplay between Christianization and the potential persistence of Celtic traditions in Le Mans during the 4th and 5th centuries requires a nuanced approach that acknowledges both the limitations of evidence and the possibility of cultural overlaps and adaptations.</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-56525238434940927892023-12-21T11:18:00.000-08:002023-12-21T11:18:45.371-08:00Continued worship of Dionysos (Dionysus) in the eastern Mediterranean of the 7th century CE<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For today's special treat from my good friend Allan Gluck, here is a marvelous gold bracelet dated to the 7th century CE that would have cost the equivalent of 14 gold coins (a working person's entire annual salary in the eastern Mediterranean, probably Egypt). The Dumbarton Oaks curators point out that feline iconography like this is associated with Dionysos, who is often portrayed reclined languidly in a panther-drawn chariot. Owning a bracelet with this imagery emphasized </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">its wearer's connection to the classical past, drawing associations to ancient mythology and to the exotic legends associated with the ancient god of wine. Photographed by Allan Gluck at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum in Washington D.C.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjH0K5FP-jCn6eTLcy04pLSK_MxL0Gso9-nAOTI4A4WvsCfk5sEBApitXmyvLyWXv63X2_54SEfXzbkuxWamBULIXo_clAcKask08mYOY6x4CqipTDEhrjBt8NYaZdkYMNKSZ2MxY87R1Fj3zlTAHebu0e8BTKD5vaInSnpPftwudfeti7RfNKA2PIFLzk/s4032/Bracelet%20gold%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%207th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20SURREAL%2055P%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY%20.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjH0K5FP-jCn6eTLcy04pLSK_MxL0Gso9-nAOTI4A4WvsCfk5sEBApitXmyvLyWXv63X2_54SEfXzbkuxWamBULIXo_clAcKask08mYOY6x4CqipTDEhrjBt8NYaZdkYMNKSZ2MxY87R1Fj3zlTAHebu0e8BTKD5vaInSnpPftwudfeti7RfNKA2PIFLzk/w400-h300/Bracelet%20gold%20%20Eastern%20Mediterranean%207th%20century%20(1)%20ACR%20ON1%20DYN%20CON%20SURREAL%2055P%20VG%20BIG%20SOFTY%20.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Gold bracelet with panthers from the eastern Mediterranean, <br />probably Egypt photographed at the Dumbarton Oaks Museum<br />courtesy of Allan Gluck</td></tr></tbody></table></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">To get a little more background on Dionysiac imagery in the 7th century CE I asked Bard: "Did the worship of Dionysos still persist in the eastern Mediterranean in the 7th century CE despite the Roman Empire's official religion of Christianity?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"The religious landscape of the eastern Mediterranean in the 7th century CE was indeed complex and nuanced, with various strands of Christianity coexisting with older traditions. Regarding Dionysos, evidence suggests his worship persisted to some extent, albeit in transformed and often syncretic ways.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's what we know:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Official Christianization: By the 7th century, the Roman Empire had officially adopted Christianity, and efforts were made to suppress pagan practices. However, the vastness and diversity of the empire made complete eradication challenging.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Dionysos' enduring appeal: Dionysos, the god of wine, festivity, and ecstasy, resonated with people across social classes. His worship often involved ecstatic rituals and celebrations, elements that found echoes in some Christian practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Syncretism and transformation: Some communities likely blended elements of Dionysos worship with Christian rituals or reinterpreted him as a Christian figure. For instance, his association with wine could be linked to the Eucharist.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological evidence: Traces of Dionysos worship have been found in the region, such as depictions in art and artifacts related to Dionysian rituals.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Literary references: Texts from the period hint at continued Dionysian practices, albeit often condemned by Christian authorities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that the extent and nature of Dionysos worship varied greatly across regions and social groups. Some areas might have seen more active traditions, while others might have incorporated only faint echoes into their Christian practices. Additionally, the level of tolerance or suppression by local authorities also played a role.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">In conclusion, while the official religion of the Roman Empire was Christianity in the 7th century, remnants of Dionysos worship certainly persisted in the eastern Mediterranean. This persistence took various forms, from syncretic practices to artistic representations, demonstrating the complex interplay of older traditions and the emerging Christian faith in the region."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then to gain insight into why the curators have indicated it was "probably" from Egypt, I asked: "Was the worship of Dionysos more prevalent in 7th century CE Egypt than in other areas of the eastern Mediterranean?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard: </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Comparing the prevalence of Dionysos worship in 7th-century CE Egypt to other areas of the eastern Mediterranean requires considering various factors. While conclusive evidence remains elusive due to the suppression of pagan practices during Christianization, here's an analysis based on available sources:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Arguments for potentially greater prevalence in Egypt:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Stronger pre-Christian roots: Egypt had a long tradition of viniculture and associated deities like Osiris, whose myths and rituals shared similarities with Dionysos. This preexisting foundation might have facilitated the continuation of Dionysian elements within Christianized practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Archaeological evidence: Discoveries in Egypt, like the 6th-century mosaic depicting Dionysos from the Monastery of Apa Jeremiah, suggest his continued presence in artistic and possibly religious contexts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Syncretic tendencies: Egyptian Christianity, particularly the Monophysite branch, exhibited a greater openness to incorporating elements from older belief systems. This could have fostered the merging of Dionysian traditions with Christian rituals or symbolism.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Arguments against clear-cut dominance in Egypt:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited specific evidence: While traces of Dionysos exist, concrete proof of widespread, active worship in 7th-century Egypt remains scarce compared to other regions with more documented Dionysian communities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Christian suppression: The Byzantine emperors actively suppressed pagan practices, and Egypt, being a core part of the empire, likely faced stricter enforcement. This could have hampered the open practice of Dionysian worship.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Prevalence in other areas: Archaeological and literary evidence suggests continued Dionysian veneration in places like Asia Minor and Greece, with documented sanctuaries and cultic practices even in the 7th century.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Attributing absolute dominance to Egypt regarding 7th-century Dionysos worship is challenging. While pre-existing cultural factors and potential syncretic tendencies might have favored its persistence, concrete evidence remains limited compared to other eastern Mediterranean regions. Additionally, the Byzantine suppression of pagan practices likely impacted Egypt more significantly due to its central position within the empire.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, it's more accurate to conclude that Dionysos worship, though diminished, likely persisted in various forms across the eastern Mediterranean, including Egypt, with the degree of prevalence varying based on local contexts and enforcement of Christian orthodoxy."</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6962226729961496148.post-33056793282267337142023-12-21T11:06:00.000-08:002023-12-21T11:06:00.817-08:00 Large ship burials pre-dating the Viking age may provide clues to maritime activities between the Baltic region and Mediterranean cultures such as the Etruscans<p><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">What a coincidence to come across this article after watching some of Dr. Steven Tuck's lectures, "The Mysterious Etruscans," in which he pointed out several indicators the Etruscans engaged in long distance trade with Scandanavian cultures and such trade may have even influenced the development of the rune </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">writing system eventually adopted by the later so-called Viking culture. </span></p><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.artnet.com%2Fart-world%2Fnorwegian-ship-burial-2409608%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1t1oApZTj7dEMSrM2DpjrJfQc2sSlVXel6-4NzMyTTCdQ6Eq_Kchu73Fg&h=AT2F3dqyUsz5zG7UuWgcg6PQsGJ1CCBDNMTni5N0SfQ1EDVWmAoOWft8EifW-RUQQs0Pdlowex2Snsm21rZgUAxYR39muag74ogq_DsOs2hP9WREdHIPl0Tr6vgsdq6JlWCOTjK8GXUbXvGOpg&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT1kW8M3F0TdWTPjuc0_QRKYXEdhK4VN2XmkjL5MP28hIfn-au9nAhdIcG--4NfOBfNdVQwXNnLXxsDXVlGIsjP-vyWqNo10ry8Sos7thyfNUqX0FO12AJdI8GW6vnvBvF1hki4zvt--fRmZpa0itup3mDtYgd5BbXVFzqJuc0E38qssLHVUNA" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; background-color: transparent; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-width: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font-family: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; touch-action: manipulation;" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://news.artnet.com/art.../norwegian-ship-burial-2409608</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi57WCy4M0lzk1BxSHTtWRHPajPvcuvgQlNvaGLD1ExtZ0UdJv9W2l7eAF503kA5JzjHdJ-t8ISeeWZ2wXNfzsDaGMo7R2Zh8yg87hrwakgun-AkkbmgQTpPrv_7b6ELdBjxlf4zq1XcY8W5Wn1rNgjDInkIbszVuNnmx7U6godB5yH9s_RKJsIBk7GbKk/s1024/GettyImages-1414192395-e1702659731135-1024x614.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="614" data-original-width="1024" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi57WCy4M0lzk1BxSHTtWRHPajPvcuvgQlNvaGLD1ExtZ0UdJv9W2l7eAF503kA5JzjHdJ-t8ISeeWZ2wXNfzsDaGMo7R2Zh8yg87hrwakgun-AkkbmgQTpPrv_7b6ELdBjxlf4zq1XcY8W5Wn1rNgjDInkIbszVuNnmx7U6godB5yH9s_RKJsIBk7GbKk/w400-h240/GettyImages-1414192395-e1702659731135-1024x614.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #7f7f7f; font-family: NeueHelvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Gokstad Ship Mound Illustration from the 19th century. (PD)</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Professor Tuck pointed out large quantities of amber items from the Baltic region have been found in Etruscan excavations and it is thought by some scholars the appearance of winged deities such as depictions of the Valkyries in Scandanavian religious art may be the result of previous exposure to the Etruscan pantheon with its winged deities. </span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEibmvxsHpsrmengFL4MCxn10H1XbP17S3TEnBnkbnVrcnnC-OpIO1l4tM0lhHAaspBBT9YS-8RZ_Wv2g0tK5ugd03bHZFdYGgnChqAppxG11BaCR4B__EMWhE013ddH-J7cgRvrnDi_d1M1Yhdi2ffwvNYuCxkwwJEVTo57D7dd-W3ETyRwuwyS3tT6kkk/s800/Etruscan%20cargo%20ship.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="528" data-original-width="800" height="264" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEibmvxsHpsrmengFL4MCxn10H1XbP17S3TEnBnkbnVrcnnC-OpIO1l4tM0lhHAaspBBT9YS-8RZ_Wv2g0tK5ugd03bHZFdYGgnChqAppxG11BaCR4B__EMWhE013ddH-J7cgRvrnDi_d1M1Yhdi2ffwvNYuCxkwwJEVTo57D7dd-W3ETyRwuwyS3tT6kkk/w400-h264/Etruscan%20cargo%20ship.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Illustration of an Etruscan cargo ship courtesy of <a href="https://anabasis-historica.blogspot.com/2016/05/de-alalia-cumas-el-declive-etrusco-en.html" target="_blank">anabasis-historica</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I found these possible influences fascinating so I asked Bard to compare and contrast the fifth century BCE cultures of Scandanavia with fifth century BCE Etruscan culture. I chose this point in time because there was a dramatic shift in Etruscan culture during that period that may have been triggered by expanded trading activities.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Comparing and contrasting the 5th century BCE cultures of Scandinavia and Etruria is fascinating, highlighting both intriguing similarities and stark differences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Similarities:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Emerging Literacy: Both cultures were experiencing the development of writing systems in the 5th century BCE. The Etruscans adopted the Greek alphabet and adapted it to their language, while Scandinavians developed the Elder Futhark runes, likely inspired by Etruscan or Phoenician scripts.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Maritime Trade: Both cultures were active participants in maritime trade networks. Etruscans controlled the Tyrrhenian Sea, trading with Greeks, Phoenicians, and others. Scandinavians engaged in Baltic and North Sea trade, interacting with Celtic and Germanic peoples.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Warrior Culture: Both societies valued warrior prowess and displayed it in art and funerary practices. Etruscan society was dominated by aristocratic warriors, while Scandinavian elite warriors were celebrated in sagas and burial rituals.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Differences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Geography and Society: Scandinavia was a vast, sparsely populated region with a tribal social structure. Etruria was a more densely populated, urbanized region with city-states ruled by kings or aristocracies.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Economic Focus: Etruscans focused on agriculture, mining, and metalworking, while also establishing trade networks. Scandinavians' economy relied heavily on fishing, farming, and trade in amber and other resources.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Religion and Art: Etruscan religion was complex and focused on divination and the afterlife, reflected in their elaborate tomb art showcasing mythological scenes and rituals. Scandinavian religion emphasized fertility and the gods Odin and Thor, depicted in simpler, symbolic art forms.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Regarding the resemblance of letterforms: While some similarities exist between Etruscan and Elder Futhark letters, such as the angular shapes and straight lines, they are not identical. The origins of the Elder Futhark are still debated, with influences from various sources including Etruscan, Phoenician, and Latin scripts. It's more likely a case of parallel development inspired by similar needs for communication and record-keeping, rather than direct borrowing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, comparing these two cultures highlights both the spread of cultural influences across Europe and the unique adaptations of each society to their specific environment and historical context. While seemingly disparate, their connections through trade, writing systems, and warrior culture offer a fascinating glimpse into the dynamic and interconnected world of ancient Europe."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I was curious about the types of amber artifacts from the Baltic region found in Etruscan burials so I asked Bard about them.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"Amber artifacts from the 5th century BCE have been found in numerous Etruscan excavations, highlighting the significance of this material in their culture and trade networks. Here are some specific examples:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Tomb of the Warrior of Poggio Buca: Discovered near Orvieto, this 5th century BCE tomb contained a wealth of amber jewelry and ornaments, including necklaces, bracelets, and pendants. The amber's high quality suggests trade with sources like the Baltic or Black Sea regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Tumulus of Monte Manno: Located near Perugia, this 6th-5th century BCE tomb yielded amber beads and plaques, again showcasing its importance in Etruscan funerary practices.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Bernardini Tomb: This prestigious 7th-6th century BCE tomb in Praeneste (modern Palestrina) contained several amber objects, including a necklace and a scarab-shaped amulet, further demonstrating the material's association with wealth and status.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The presence of amber in Etruscan contexts is linked to several factors:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Trade networks: Etruscans were active traders, connecting Mediterranean regions with northern Europe via routes like the Amber Road. Amber served as a valuable commodity, exchanged for metals, pottery, and other goods.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Symbolism: Amber was believed to possess magical and protective properties, making it popular for jewelry and funerary items. Its warm color and natural beauty also held symbolic value.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Social status: Owning amber artifacts signified wealth and prestige within Etruscan society. The more elaborate and well-crafted the piece, the higher the owner's social standing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, amber artifacts found in Etruscan excavations provide valuable insights into their trade networks, cultural beliefs, and social structures. These findings highlight the dynamism and interconnectedness of the ancient Mediterranean world, where materials like amber flowed across vast distances, shaping cultural and economic landscapes."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I asked, "Did any of the amber objects found in Etruscan excavations represent symbolic objects of Scandanavian deities like Thor's hammer?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"While amber artifacts were certainly significant in both Etruscan and Scandinavian cultures, direct evidence of specifically Scandinavian deities like Thor being represented in Etruscan amber objects is currently lacking. This doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of indirect or symbolic connections, but it's important to consider the complexities involved.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here's why direct representation is unlikely:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Chronological gap: The Elder Futhark runes, used to inscribe representations of deities like Thor, only emerged in Scandinavia around the 4th century CE, well after the decline of Etruscan civilization in the 1st century BCE. This significant time difference makes direct borrowing or representation of specific Scandinavian deities in Etruscan amber unlikely.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cultural differences: While both cultures valued amber and used it in rituals and symbolism, their belief systems and representations of the divine differed greatly. Etruscan gods were often associated with the underworld, fertility, and divination, while the Scandinavian pantheon focused on figures like Thor, Odin, and Freyja, representing thunder, war, and fertility.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, there might be some indirect connections:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Shared symbolism: Both cultures used amber for its perceived magical properties and connection to the sun. This shared symbolism could have led to similar uses of the material in rituals and funerary practices, even if the specific deities being invoked differed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Trade and cultural exchange: Etruscan trade networks extended to the Baltic region, where amber was sourced. It's possible that some knowledge of Scandinavian mythology and symbolism could have reached Etruria through trade interactions, influencing their own interpretations of amber's power and meaning.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Therefore, while we can't definitively say that Etruscan amber objects directly represent Scandinavian deities like Thor, the possibility of broader symbolic connections and cultural exchange through trade remains intriguing. Further research and archaeological discoveries might shed more light on this fascinating area of cultural interaction in the ancient world.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some additional points to consider:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The interpretation of symbols and imagery in both Etruscan and Scandinavian cultures can be complex and open to debate. What might appear to be a representation of Thor's hammer to one scholar could be interpreted differently by another.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While direct evidence of Thor in Etruscan amber is currently lacking, it's important to remember that our understanding of these ancient cultures is constantly evolving. New discoveries and interpretations could change our perspective in the future."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Not to be discouraged by lack of direct evidence, I then asked "Were humans depicted in fifth century BCE Scandanavian art stylized in a manner similar to depictions in fifth century BCE Etruscan art?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"No, human depictions in 5th century BCE Scandinavian and Etruscan art diverged significantly in style and emphasis. Here's a breakdown:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Scandinavian Art:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Highly abstract and geometric: Human figures were often simplified to basic shapes, sometimes even stick figures, with minimal facial features and details. This stylized approach emphasized symbolism and ritualistic function over naturalism. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Focus on animals and motifs: Animals like stags, horses, and birds were more commonly depicted than humans, often holding symbolic meaning related to hunting, fertility, and the afterlife. Geometric patterns like spirals and circles also played a prominent role. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Rock carvings and metalwork: Most surviving Scandinavian art from this period is found in rock carvings or small-scale metalwork like jewelry and weapons. These mediums further limited the complexity of human representations.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Etruscan Art:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">More naturalistic and detailed: While not strictly realistic, Etruscan artists aimed to represent human figures with recognizable features, proportions, and expressions. They showed clothing, hairstyles, and sometimes even individual characteristics. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Narrative and mythological scenes: Etruscan art frequently portrayed stories from mythology, rituals, and daily life. Humans were central actors in these scenes, interacting with each other and engaging in various activities. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Wider range of media: Etruscan art included sculptures, wall paintings, pottery decorations, and even large-scale terracotta statues. This allowed for more variety and complexity in human depictions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The differences in style reflect the distinct cultural contexts and artistic traditions of each region. Scandinavian art prioritized ritualistic symbols and connection with nature, while Etruscan art emphasized narrative, individual expression, and a more naturalistic approach to human representation.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to note that both styles offer valuable insights into their respective cultures and beliefs. While they may not depict humans in the same way, both traditions provide fascinating glimpses into the lives and imaginations of ancient societies."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">My next followup question was: "You mentioned that Etruscan amber finds were sourced from the Baltic Sea region. Is there evidence of maritime travel between Scandanavia and Etruria?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"While direct evidence of maritime travel specifically between Scandinavia and Etruria in the 5th century BCE remains elusive, several lines of evidence suggest strong connections between the two regions, hinting at possible seafaring interactions:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">1. Trade Networks and Amber:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Amber Road: Established around 3000 BCE, this extensive trade network connected the Baltic Sea region, rich in amber, with the Mediterranean world, including Etruria. Archaeological evidence, like amber beads found in Etruscan tombs, confirms this trade route's existence and importance. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Baltic amber in Etruria: Numerous amber artifacts, particularly jewelry and ornaments, have been unearthed in Etruscan tombs and settlements, dating back to the 7th-5th centuries BCE. This widespread presence of Baltic amber strongly suggests regular trade between the regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2. Shipbuilding and Maritime Skills:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Scandinavian boat technology: Archaeological finds like the Hjortspring boat, discovered in Denmark and dating to the 5th century BCE, showcase advanced shipbuilding techniques in Scandinavia. These boats were well-suited for navigating the Baltic and North Seas. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Etruscan maritime prowess: Etruscans were known for their skilled sailors and naval power, controlling the Tyrrhenian Sea for centuries. Their expertise could have facilitated trade with the Baltic region, even if direct voyages weren't common.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">3. Cultural Similarities and Shared Symbols:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Runic inscriptions and Etruscan letters: While direct borrowing is unlikely due to the chronological gap, some scholars argue for potential indirect influences between the Elder Futhark runes and Etruscan scripts. This could indicate cultural exchange or shared knowledge systems.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Amber symbolism: Both cultures associated amber with magical properties, sun worship, and the afterlife. This shared symbolism suggests potential exchange of ideas and beliefs, even if the specific deities or rituals differed.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While conclusive proof of direct maritime voyages between Scandinavia and Etruria in the 5th century BCE is lacking, the cumulative evidence suggests strong connections and potential interactions facilitated by trade, shared technologies, and cultural exchange. Further archaeological discoveries and research might shed more light on the nature and extent of these interactions, potentially confirming the presence of Scandinavian seafarers in Etruscan ports or vice versa.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that ancient maritime travel was often fraught with dangers, and evidence might be lost to time or buried deep beneath the waves. Nonetheless, the existing clues paint a fascinating picture of interconnectedness across vast distances in the ancient world."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I then asked "Have any ship burials excavated in Scandanavia reflected influence of Mediterranean ship building?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"While the influence of Mediterranean shipbuilding on Scandinavian ship burials is a complex and debated topic, there are some intriguing hints of potential connections:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Similarities in burial practices:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Both cultures practiced ship burials, placing deceased individuals in or alongside boats as part of their funerary rites. This shared practice suggests a common belief in the boat as a vessel for the soul's journey to the afterlife.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Possible technological influences:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Clinker construction: Some scholars have noted similarities in the clinker boat construction technique used in both Mediterranean and Scandinavian ship burials. This technique involves overlapping planks riveted together, offering flexibility and strength. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Sail technology: The use of square sails in both regions suggests potential knowledge exchange or parallel development. However, sail fragments from Scandinavian burials are scarce, making definitive comparisons challenging.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Challenges and counterarguments:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Chronological discrepancies: The peak of ship burials in Scandinavia occurred around the 5th-10th centuries CE, significantly later than the height of Etruscan civilization (8th-1st centuries BCE). This chronological gap makes direct borrowing of specific shipbuilding techniques less likely.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Local adaptations: Scandinavian ship designs were primarily optimized for navigating the Baltic and North Seas, with features like shallow hulls and keels suited for calmer waters, unlike the Mediterranean with its diverse coastal conditions. This suggests local adaptations and independent development alongside possible broader cultural influences.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Intriguing archaeological finds:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Sutton Hoo ship burial: This Anglo-Saxon ship burial from the 7th century CE in England, with ties to Scandinavian traditions, contained artifacts like bronze cauldrons and metalwork with possible Mediterranean or Eastern Mediterranean stylistic influences. While not directly Scandinavian, it suggests broader cultural exchange and potential indirect connections. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">The Gokstad ship: This Viking ship burial from the 9th century CE in Norway showcases advanced shipbuilding techniques like clinker construction and lashed-lug steering, demonstrating the sophistication of Scandinavian boatbuilding without necessarily requiring direct Mediterranean influence. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, the evidence for Mediterranean influence on Scandinavian ship burials remains inconclusive. While some similarities in practices and techniques exist, the chronological gap and differences in maritime environments make direct borrowing unlikely. However, the possibility of broader cultural exchange and indirect influences remains intriguing, prompting further research and analysis. As more archaeological discoveries are made, our understanding of these fascinating connections may continue to evolve."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I decided to allow more time to be included in my queries and asked "Have remains of watercraft built with Scandanavian shipbuilding technology dating before the third century BCE been found in navigable rivers between the Baltic Sea and Mediterranean ports?"</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bard's response:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">"To date, no confirmed remains of watercraft built with Scandinavian shipbuilding technology dating before the 3rd century BCE have been found in navigable rivers between the Baltic Sea and Mediterranean ports. This doesn't necessarily preclude their existence, but the scarcity of evidence presents challenges. Here's why:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Challenges in finding and identifying early Scandinavian boats:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Organic materials: Scandinavian shipbuilding traditionally relied heavily on wood, a material that decomposes readily in freshwater and saltwater environments. This makes it difficult for early boats to survive for centuries, especially in riverbeds with shifting sediments.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Limited archaeological exploration: While riverine archaeological surveys are ongoing, they haven't yet covered all potential routes between the Baltic and Mediterranean. Additionally, pinpointing specific boat remains as Scandinavian from such an early period can be challenging due to the lack of distinctive features preserved in wood.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Alternative explanations: If boat fragments are found, distinguishing between Scandinavian and local shipbuilding techniques from that era can be complex. Similarities in clinker construction or sail technology might exist across various regions, requiring careful analysis of wood types, construction methods, and potential decorative elements for accurate identification.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, there are still reasons to believe interaction between Scandinavia and the Mediterranean occurred before the 3rd century BCE:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Trade networks: The Amber Road, established around 3000 BCE, facilitated trade between the Baltic and Mediterranean regions, including amber, metals, and other goods. While land routes were likely primary, some scholars argue for the possibility of coastal and riverine travel as well.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Cultural similarities: Shared burial practices like ship burials and potential influences in runic scripts suggest some level of cultural exchange. While not direct evidence of maritime interaction, these connections hint at broader networks and potential knowledge sharing.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Technological advancements: Archaeological finds like the Hjortspring boat from Denmark (5th century BCE) showcase advanced Scandinavian shipbuilding techniques, suggesting their capabilities for navigating beyond coastal waters.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While conclusive evidence for pre-3rd century BCE Scandinavian boats in Mediterranean-bound rivers remains elusive, ongoing archaeological research and analysis of existing finds might shed light on this intriguing question. Future discoveries could potentially reveal boat remains with diagnostic features or uncover additional evidence of trade networks and cultural exchange, strengthening the case for early maritime connections between these regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Here are some additional points to consider:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Even if no physical remains are found, environmental and isotopic analyses of potential trade goods like amber could provide clues about their transportation routes, including the use of rivers.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Advances in underwater exploration technology might improve the chances of discovering and identifying submerged boat remains in the future.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Continued research on early Scandinavian shipbuilding techniques and cultural interactions with Mediterranean regions can help refine our understanding of their potential maritime activities."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Then I decided to change the direction of my queries and asked: "Have metal decorative elements resembling Etruscan art styles before the third century BCE been found in Scandanavia?</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">While some intriguing similarities exist between Etruscan and Scandinavian art from before the 3rd century BCE, finding metal decorative elements in Scandinavia with direct and undeniable resemblance to Etruscan styles is quite rare. This scarcity can be attributed to several factors (a repeat of overall cultural issues):</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Chronological gap: Etruscan civilization flourished from around 800 BCE to 1st century BCE, while the emergence of complex metalworking in Scandinavia typically dates to around 500 BCE. This gap leaves limited time for direct artistic influence.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Geographical distance: The vast distance between Etruria and Scandinavia, with few established trade routes, made sustained cultural exchange challenging.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Different artistic traditions: Etruscan art favored naturalistic depictions of figures and detailed geometric patterns, while early Scandinavian metalwork leaned towards geometric abstraction and symbolic motifs.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">However, some intriguing hints of possible connections exist:</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Torcs and fibulas: Both cultures produced torcs (twisted neck rings) and fibulas (brooches) in similar forms, but with distinct decorative styles. Etruscan examples often featured granulation, filigree, and animal motifs, while Scandinavian ones favored simpler geometric patterns and symbolic shapes. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Bronze cauldrons: Some early Scandinavian bronze cauldrons, like those from the Vimose bog in Denmark, showcase intricate geometric patterns with potential parallels to certain Etruscan decorative styles. However, similar motifs could also have arisen independently in both regions.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Amber trade: The Amber Road connected Scandinavia and Etruria through trade in amber, a precious material used in both cultures for adornment and ritual purposes. While not directly related to metalworking, this trade network could have facilitated some cultural exchange and inspiration.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Overall, while direct evidence for Etruscan-style metalwork in Scandinavia before the 3rd century BCE remains limited, hints of potential connections and shared motifs exist. Future archaeological discoveries and ongoing research might shed more light on the nature and extent of these interactions, offering a clearer picture of cultural exchange in the ancient world.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">It's important to remember that artistic styles evolve and adapt over time, influenced by various factors like local traditions, materials, and cultural beliefs. While finding exact replicas of Etruscan metalwork in Scandinavia might be unlikely, the possibility of broader stylistic influences and shared motifs remains an exciting area of research."</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">When I read in the article that at one point there was a bronze cauldron found in the burial but it was subsequently melted down for belt buckles, I gasped at the missed opportunity to have that cauldron artistically and compositionally analyzed!</div></div>Mary Harrschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01812961655356354800noreply@blogger.com0