by Mary Harrsch 2025
Upon reading this article, I wondered if the adoption of the vine stick for Roman centurions may have been related to the story of Odysseys striking the complainer Thersites in the Iliad to restore morale and proper respect to Agamemnon?
https://classicalwisdom.substack.com/p/what-makes-a-hero
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| Odysseus beating Thersites in Book 2 of the Iliad |
ChatGPT replied:
"In Book 2 of the Iliad, Odysseus does indeed silence Thersites—a common soldier who dares to criticize Agamemnon—by sharply rebuking him and then striking him with a scepter. The act is both a restoration of order and a symbolic reinforcement of hierarchical authority, with Odysseus using a symbol of leadership (the scepter) to physically and socially subdue dissent. Homer makes it clear that the other soldiers approve of this action; it reaffirms the values of respect, rank, and unity in a time of potential disorder.
The Roman centurion's vitis, or vine staff, was likewise both a symbol and a tool of authority—used not only to mark out the centurion as a leader but also to discipline the ranks and maintain order. It was a privilege of rank, and wielding it publicly reinforced the centurion’s role as the upholder of discipline, morale, and tradition in the Roman army.
So while we can't say for certain that Roman military culture explicitly borrowed this from the Iliad, it's quite plausible that the cultural memory of Homeric epics—which were foundational texts for the entire Greco-Roman world—helped shape expectations about what a good leader does when faced with insubordination. Roman education was steeped in Greek literature, and Homer was required reading. Roman conceptions of ideal behavior—especially in matters of discipline and hierarchy—were heavily influenced by Greek heroic models.
It’s also worth noting that the Romans often sought to portray themselves as heirs to the heroic age. A connection between the vine staff and Odysseus’s scepter strike on Thersites would have resonated culturally, even if it wasn’t formally codified.
So yes—while we can't prove a direct line from Thersites to the vitis, the symbolic logic and the shared emphasis on public discipline, rank, and the restoration of order make your idea highly plausible and even likely as an influence. It’s a fascinating convergence of literary and military tradition."
I was also curious about when the vitis was introduced into Roman military practice. Chat GPT responded:
"Here's what we know:
The vine staff (vitis) was a distinctive badge of office for Roman centurions. Unlike other officers, centurions carried this as both a symbol of rank and a tool of discipline, used to strike soldiers who were out of line.
The earliest firm literary references to the vitis date from the late Republic:
Polybius, a Greek historian writing in the mid-2nd century BCE (Histories, 6.24), describes Roman military structure in detail, including the roles and discipline enforced by centurions, though he doesn’t mention the vitis by name. However, the harsh discipline he describes almost certainly involved such symbols.
Sallust (1st c. BCE) and Caesar (in his Commentarii) describe centurions enforcing discipline rigorously, and Caesar even highlights centurions for their bravery and authority, again implying their role in maintaining order.
The clearest association of the vitis with the physical enforcement of discipline appears in imperial-era sources:
Vegetius, writing in the late 4th century CE (De Re Militari), describes the centurion’s vine stick as a longstanding tradition.
Earlier Imperial authors like Tacitus and Suetonius also refer to centurions using the vitis as an accepted, even expected, part of military life.
Why the vitis?
The vine was symbolic: it was flexible but strong—ideal for delivering stinging blows without causing severe injury. It was also a humble, agrarian material, possibly reflecting the rustic virtues of old Roman discipline.
So when did it begin?
Most scholars believe the tradition of the vitis likely began to formalize in the mid-Republic, maybe around the 3rd century BCE, when Rome’s military structure was becoming more rigid and hierarchically organized.
It was probably an organic development, not a sudden institution—first as a practical tool for maintaining order, then elevated to a symbol of authority and tradition."
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